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#304180 - 12/01/17 02:13 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I'd heard he made a pronouncement, but I hadn't heard about a vote or the change of a law or the alteration of the Constitution or whatever it would take to change it.
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#304184 - 12/01/17 10:49 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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Right at this moment I see the entire issue playing out like some newfound religious gospel, wherein every sin is counted up as being the same in its measure, every evangelist is counted up as being a saint, every gospel preached as being sacred and unimpeachable and everyone who questions the new evangel in even the slightest way as being a heretic.

That doesn't mean that we don't have a multitude of sins to account for or that we should not seek redemption or rethink our place in the world. It doesn't mean that the bones of this new evangel are not rooted in a certain reasonable amount of logic and spiritual soundness.
It does mean however, that we are, at this point in time, far too enamored of the more charismatic aspects of this new sexual eschatology and that we are trending toward having a deaf ear for the subtleties and deeper meanings, and we're crusading along with our blunt instrument and laying waste to all sinners large and small by applying the same approach, that of lopping off their head while swinging our banner high.

I urge everyone to use a lot more care in researching these allegations, and to take the time to take a deeper look. These egregious acts, predatory behavior, harassment, sexual assault, all speak for themselves. They are shameful and can be spotted in a minute.

To the careful observer, they should stand out and stand apart clearly from ordinary interactions that make up the complex dance of the sexes.

And while you may find some of those more ordinary interactions distasteful, or clumsy, and while some may be coming from a place you feel is less than sincere and erudite, they are not crimes.
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#304279 - 12/07/17 07:42 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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I have been giving a bit more thought to this one. I tend to believe that stuff that happened over 10 years ago, with no evidence it has continued since then should be made public so that that bad guy can say he is sorry but that's it, unless there was physical harm folks should just get over it. Right now it just doesn't matter. The severity of the act doesn't seem to matter, the fact that the behavior has not happened in over 10 years doesn't matter, most remain in the demesne of "he said, she said", etc. Right now, instead, the range of activities seems to be everything from a pat and a hug to outright rape and EACH ONE is as bad as the other and the fact that the miscreant stopped such behavior for 10 years, or longer, also makes no difference. Its as if the female race is out to make up for the centuries of abuse overnight. Anybody accused is flat out guilty of whatever and needs to not only be contrite, apologize, etc. but be utterly destroyed.

Sorry, this simply does not make any sense. I am certainly not a big Roy Moore fan but I think his mouth is a LOT more offensive, hateful, destructive and just wrong, than actions that had happened 40 years ago.

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#304283 - 12/07/17 08:32 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


I verbally sexually assault guys all of the time. So what? Hmm

I tell them how handsome and sexy they are. How I would "turn" them. How I would rock their world. devil

Turn about is fair play. coffee

(In some small way, I hope they realize what I am doing to them, they've done to woman countless of times, themselves. smile )


Bullshit, Rick.
If what you're talking about is anything like the way you taunt me, that isn't sexual harassment, at least not to ME, or even my WIFE, who erupts in peals of laughter whenever I read what you said aloud.

Since I pretty much LIVE FOR her laughter and that adorable little smile she gets on her face from time to time, I couldn't call what you do sexual harassment.

Now, if you leaned in and tried to grab my junk, or tried to corner me somewhere, that would qualify.

There's a male nurse at the Long Beach VA who is also clearly attracted to my "bear" attributes.
He sees me and it's like I'm some kind of MAGNET. That 65 year old guy picks up his gait and he's on me like white on rice, his arm around my shoulder, "How ARE you? You're looking GREAT, are you working out or something?" his face almost "up in my grille".

Even THAT...it's a little tough for me to call it harassment.
He's clearly crushing on me, it's a wee bit uncomfortable but I'll get over it, and again, watching my wife's reaction is priceless and maybe it even makes the whole thing worthwhile.
She even gives me hugs after my "little buddy" leaves..."Oh my poor hubby, what is it about you anyway HAHAHA"

Yeah, I think I'd have to pull him up short if he went further.
"Hey big guy, I don't roll that way, okay?"

But he doesn't...I guess he thinks he's staying behind some self defined boundary, one which apparently includes putting his arm around me and getting close enough for me to wonder if I should have used mouthwash that morning. But he never crosses it, and he clearly is trying to be friendly, and he treats my wife very nicely.

Who knows, maybe he thinks poor Jayeff isn't getting any at home because of "his crippled wife" (far from the truth) and he wants me to know he's available.
I don't know, don't wanna know, and I might even be more uncomfortable if it wasn't for the fact that Karen gets a hoot out of watching the whole thing happen, which is every other time we go to the VA, I guess.

Just my two cents.
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#304285 - 12/07/17 09:49 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Sounds to me like someone is tempted...
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#304289 - 12/08/17 01:58 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I couldn't call what you do sexual harassment.

Ok, stud. smile

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
There's a male nurse at the Long Beach VA who is also clearly attracted to my "bear" attributes.

He sees me and it's like I'm some kind of MAGNET. That 65 year old guy picks up his gait and he's on me like white on rice, his arm around my shoulder, "How ARE you? You're looking GREAT, are you working out or something?" his face almost "up in my grille".

Isn't he supposed to be taking care of Karen? He's all..."Hi Karen."

(Then turns his attention all to you. blush )
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#304290 - 12/08/17 01:59 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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You can think you are perfectly straight and then you see a movie with 20 year old Brad Pitt, and think: "Oh My", as George Takei put it. Not that you would do anything, but if you had to have a cellmate...

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#304291 - 12/08/17 02:04 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Isn't he supposed to be taking care of Karen? He's all..."Hi Karen."

(Then turns his attention all to you. blush )


LOL! LOL ROTFMOL LOL
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#304292 - 12/08/17 02:05 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Sounds to me like someone is tempted...


Nope, don't want none of that "stick kitty".
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#304294 - 12/08/17 02:12 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
You can think you are perfectly straight and then you see a movie with 20 year old Brad Pitt, and think: "Oh My", as George Takei put it. Not that you would do anything, but if you had to have a cellmate...


I was too busy drooling over the idea of making Geena Davis get her hair all messed up.
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