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#304040 - 11/21/17 04:18 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: pdx rick]
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Roy Moore really really really NEEDS to get into the Senate so all of us taxpayers can pitch in to pay off the ladies he stalked/harassed/molested, most in their teens, without us knowing about it or any names being named.

Sweet deal.
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#304045 - 11/21/17 07:40 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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I stand, foursquare, behind getting Roy Moore into the senate. Moore and Trump running their mouths! I think they are probably capable of pissing off about 90% of the population. It would be better for the dems than just about anything the dems themselves could do, and the media would cover it all with gusto for free! It would be like late night comedy 24 hours a day!

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#304054 - 11/22/17 02:07 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: pdx rick]
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This isn't stopping for a while.


Like I said, I bet at least 90% of the men in Congress have some skeleton in their closet. You don't run for national office without enough ego and self confidence, and willingness to take risks. Those traits naturally lead men to take risks in other aspects of life, including sexual risks.

But there's a huge difference between men hitting on women and perverts going after teens.

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#304086 - 11/24/17 05:03 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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Also, a huge difference between hitting on a woman and cornering her for purposes of intimidation, or to demand sexual favors in an atmosphere of intimidation.

The former is just "making a pass" and no matter how clumsy or sloppy, it's neither a crime, nor harassment, it's just a guy who wants to get intimate with a woman.
Some do it better than others, almost all have experienced rejection more often than not, and it's entirely acceptable.
The latter is a "crime of power" and the goal is not so much sexual satisfaction as it is the feeling of power over a helpless woman. This is the money shot, not sexual ecstasy. This is the climax, not foreplay.

Once a man's advances are rejected, normal males get the message and move on, aberrant males interpret it as a signal of disrespect or a cue to become aggressive.
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#304133 - 11/26/17 08:23 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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It dawns on me that people getting assaulted also have a responsibility in this. There is a current discussion about the gov paying off the assaulted and keeping it all a secret. The basic problem is that what we are experiencing, right now, the discussions over assault, is that, had everybody had been speaking up, contemporaneously, this would not be happening right now. The gov paying off the assaulted is interesting because they are also talking about keeping the identities of the assaulted secret. Sorry, this just won't do. I think everybody agrees that to stop it, its got to be reported and reported publicly. Once that happens there has to be a process established to verify the charges. I have no idea how this might work but to continue to rely on "he said, she said" to be the process is just plain silly. To be concerned over the identifying the assaulted is like being concerned over identifying a rape victim. I think we have moved far away from blaming a rape victim for being raped and the same should apply to the assaulted. The difference between the two is that one is objectively proven and the other, right now, mostly boils down to "he said, she said" and we need a better method of verification.

When we are told a story about how somebody was assaulted 40 years ago I have a real problem with the whole thing. Hopefully we are over with that stuff now and, hopefully, those assaulted will speak up in a timely manner. Many of the current cases involve stuff that happened, years ago, and was never mentioned to anybody but immediate family or close friends with the promise of keeping it a secret. The ONLY reason this stuff is getting attention is because of the sheer number of assaulted coming forward and this is a good thing! I would hope that coming forward will now be a responsibility of the assaulted and considered that to be the case. We should also remember that most of this stuff has been, historically, something guys do and, except in extreme instances gets ignored. Now, I betcha that is gone too and the manly idiots will now understand that its not something guys do anymore. If this becomes true then, as far as I am concerned, its all worth it. There is going to be some unfairness happening and this is unfortunate but part of the deal. If those who do this kind of stuff have a brain in their heads they have to understand that if they act out they are going to have serious problems, fair or not. The secret, of course, remains to keep your hands to yourself. That has always been the gold standard and that remains.

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#304134 - 11/26/17 08:54 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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Maybe every woman needs to wear a recording body camera, so it is never again "he said, she said". It's certainly within out abilities now. We could even issue them to every girl at age 10, for free. Make them all upload to the cloud, so removing a woman's camera is preserved evidence of an assault.

The footage could even be viewed by an AI, to preserve privacy. If the AI thinks it is detecting an assault, it refers it to a human to look at. It would certainly deter pedophiles!

But the main point is that there would always be evidence if somebody later called foul. It might even save a lot of men whose partners called "RAPE" after they got mad at them. Which while rare, does happen.

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#304136 - 11/26/17 09:33 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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My friend and I have speculated that Roy Moore has a really really teeny wienie. We think he wanted to marry a young virgin. That way, unless she was unfaithful, she'd never know what she was missing.
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#304141 - 11/27/17 05:44 AM Re: sex assaults [Re: Spag-hetti]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
My friend and I have speculated that Roy Moore has a really really teeny wienie. We think he wanted to marry a young virgin. That way, unless she was unfaithful, she'd never know what she was missing.


Either a teeny weenie, or he's a Minute Man, or a total slob who doesn't even give a damn about female satisfaction, or all three.
I'm betting all three.
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#304163 - 11/30/17 04:24 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Roy Moore gave a political speech in a church. Isn't the church supposed to lose its tax exemption?
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#304168 - 11/30/17 09:37 PM Re: sex assaults [Re: jgw]
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I think Trump and Co. just gutted that one, no?
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