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#304222 - 12/03/17 10:38 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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There is a REASON WHY Flynn was only charged with, and plead guilty to, a minor charge of lying to the FBI.
There is a REASON WHY Flynnn was able to get a plea deal like that from Mueller. Prosecutors NEVER EVER make a deal like that to get at LOWER people on the totem pole, they only make deals like that to get people HIGHER UP, and there are only a very few people higher up than Flynn.

I think we ALL KNOW who those higher-ups are, don't we?
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#304223 - 12/04/17 02:26 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I think we ALL KNOW who those higher-ups are, don't we?

Well yes, we do. But do we really think a handful of indictments will bring this administration down? With a congress like this even Richard Nixon would have remained in office.
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#304224 - 12/04/17 03:21 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: Greger
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I think we ALL KNOW who those higher-ups are, don't we?

Well yes, we do. But do we really think a handful of indictments will bring this administration down? With a congress like this even Richard Nixon would have remained in office.


2018 brother. That's our assignment, sweep both chambers in 2018.
Because even with all these indictments aside, if we do NOT sweep both chambers in 2018, we're toast anyway.

So all of this hinges on what kind of legislature we can give Mueller to work with in 2018.
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#304227 - 12/04/17 04:04 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Well it is time for this:

VOTE 2018
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#304229 - 12/04/17 06:43 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Never mind that we have a president that tweets every thought in his head.
Would be fine if they weren't the thoughts of a nine year old on CRACK COCAINE.
FDR used to have "fireside chats" on the radio. Well okay, a lot of people don't "listen to the radio" in the same way anymore, so okay...a prezzy could do a podcast.
Can you imagine what's going to happen to the American psyche if Trump discovers what podcasts are?

The smart people are not in charge anymore. The racist/bigot imbeciles have the floor now...until 2018.
If we don't take their lollipops away from them in 2018 then we are finished.
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#304561 - 12/22/17 01:03 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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We now know WHY Republicans are going after Mueller's investigation NOW. Another shoe is about to drop: White House Counsel Knew in January Flynn Probably Violated the Law (Foreign Policy) - And he told the President. Actually, he told the President the day before Trump tried to strong arm FBI Director Comey to drop Flynn investigation.
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#304562 - 12/22/17 01:29 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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The timeline fits perfectly. Slam dunk on the Obstruction Of Justice charge. Nobody can deny it.

A big part of the problem is that Trump is not a lawyer, so he has little idea of what is criminal and what is not. He's always done whatever he wanted and hired shyster lawyers to either get him out of it or in more cases, negotiate a settlement. He's still got the same caliber of lawyer and doesn't realize that Mueller and company are REAL lawyers and will eat Trump's lawyers for lunch.

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#304563 - 12/22/17 02:06 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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#304566 - 12/22/17 03:25 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The timeline fits perfectly. Slam dunk on the Obstruction Of Justice charge. Nobody can deny it.

Dont delude yourself. For proof watch the love fest at the WH. 11 Congressmen got up and praised Mr Trump and told him he was the greatest .... and you think these people will impeach him?
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#304570 - 12/22/17 04:48 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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I for one am not one of those that think that impeachment of Trump AND Pence frees us from the core problem, but it certainly does terminate two of the worst current actors.
No one thought that killing Osama bin Laden would cause all of Al-Qaeda to lay down arms and run away, but the action still did considerable damage to their cause and their ability to conduct their craft.

Likewise, the killing of LaVoy Finnicum did similar damage to the Y'all-Qaeda paramilitary bunch.
Suddenly the Malheur Snack Brigade realizes that drawing a bead on law enforcement and hijacking a federal installation carries consequences.

Likewise, the impeachment of one, and possibly two sitting chief executives, preferably in a post 2018 victorious Congressional rout, signals that the Insane Clown Posse of the Elephant Party no longer owns the mandate to destroy the underpinnings of representative democracy like they thought.
So at best, "President" Paul Ryan would have to satisfy himself with jerking it to Ayn Rand books in the Executive Crapper and running out the clock until 2020 while we repair the damage and groom a sensible liberal candidate to lead us back to the United States of Sanity.

Minus a 2018 sweep of both chambers, impeachment is not going to happen.
I'm liberal, not stupid. I accept the fact that with Republicans owning the Trifecta plus the Golden Meatball, Trump could be caught fellating a nine year old while holding a crack pipe and his supporters in Congress would just say that we're "taking all of that out of context".
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