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#304629 - 12/24/17 09:31 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Impeachment takes time. They don't have that time. Interestingly, Rhona Graff was interviewed this week. What I wonder is: were they trying to get information from her, or to close down the Mueller investigation by souring the process and "warning" her about how the inquiry might go...
Too many Congressmen and Senators are working to protect Trump from his own failures.
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#304633 - 12/25/17 12:50 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Too many Congressmen and Senators are working to protect Trump from his own failures.

what surprises me is the GROWING number who are starting to defend him. Had there been any real interest we should have seen perfunctory endorsements, instead we are seeing full throated defense (Spkr Ryan, Sen Graham as examples).

I am not in law enforcement but based on the "shows" I watch, I would think cleaver investigators would ask questions which provide no clues what the intent or direction of the interview was.

Now based on my educated analysis of Mr Trump's mental state, there are a couple of things which bother me. A narcissist by the very nature of the disorder lies, so nothing he says is of any value, unless the investigator knows how to ask questions which are invariant to Trump's alternate world and reality. Any one who has been around Mr Trump has to know he demands large amounts of praise and adulation (because he is a narcissist). What value is their testimony if they have been trained to lie? and what if they are willing to protect Mr Trump (a la loyalty). Would Mss Graff lie for him?

So even if they get everyone for perjury, we are no closer to the truth of what happened than when they started investigating, unless of course they have the hard copy for everything.

Roger Stone, the delusional Clinton demonizer, says the cabinet has considered the 25th but from an establishment Republican perspective. Even though he has no credibility, in my opinion, he may be right but not about why they would consider it.

I am about 85-95% sure Spkr Ryan will not allow charges to be filed regardless of what Mueller finds out about Mr Trump.
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#304635 - 12/25/17 01:48 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: rporter314]
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Politifact's "Lie of the Year":

Russia did not mess with U.S. elections
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#304637 - 12/25/17 03:02 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: logtroll]
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Mr Trump denies Russian interference in election

This works from 2 different perspectives both of which support his narcissism

1. The Russians interference, with or without his knowledge, simply means they were supporting Trump's greatness as a powerful individual.

2. Any criticism which mentions Russian interference undermines Trump's greatness.

Mr Trump, as a narcissist would see Russian help in a different light than someone without a personality disorder. Thus while you may see it as criminal, he would see it as praise and adulation which would not be criminal.

The 25th would be the way to go, if there are enough honest men left in the administration.
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#304638 - 12/25/17 05:33 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Actually, one of the main reasons I believe there was collusion is that Trump insists there wasn't. I have not heard a lot of truth come out of that mouth, so I assume he's lying. Probably most of his supporters have figured out by now that almost everything he says is a lie. They just don't care.

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#304641 - 12/25/17 12:06 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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for the most part I think that is true and valid.

Almost everything of a personal nature which depicts him as great is probably a lie. Largest crowds, biggest hands, greatest negotiator, etc. He is however a fast food junkie. It will depend on as an example food. For instance, the tacos (or whatever it was) are the greatest tacos made, which by happenstance are made at his hotel therefore making him great.

and, as you say, as the music plays on, with a resounding cacophony of dissonance, his supporters think it is the sweetest music ever played by any mortal or immortal human.
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#304643 - 12/25/17 02:39 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I think that was a typo, you meant "immoral", right?
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#304651 - 12/25/17 06:13 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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LOL

from Mr Trump's perspective it would be a 20 foot tall statue ... ahhh ... correction ... 30 foot tall .... but today only ... tomorrow he may be greater than great ... you know its gotta be taller than "THE WALL"

and even if you think he is "immoral" his supporters still love him

sometimes i can see a couple of the dimensions moving in and out of my reality and I can see Mr Trump's alternate reality clearly ... now i have to wonder if the forces of nature will impose a new and different reality on all of us ... there are no facts but the ones Mr Trump says are true whether valid or not
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#304674 - 12/27/17 08:04 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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The alternate reality dimensions of this situation remind me of so many dystopian/alternate reality fantasies like the Matrix, Inception, Dr. Strange... am i just not seeing reality?
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#304676 - 12/27/17 08:07 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Well it is very difficult to ignore the fact that Trump and today's Republicans are transforming America into "The Hunger Games", aka "one of the great modern dystopian stories of the decade".
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