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#304677 - 12/27/17 09:10 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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"one of the great modern dystopian stories of the decade".


I think you're wrong.

If Republicans remain in power, eliminate the voices of Democrats, load the judicial system with partisan judges, continue the willy nilly deregulation of environmental and labor laws, and pretty much get everything they want, this will be the greatest dystopian story of the century.
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#304680 - 12/27/17 11:53 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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"one of the great modern dystopian stories of the decade".


I think you're wrong.

If Republicans remain in power, eliminate the voices of Democrats, load the judicial system with partisan judges, continue the willy nilly deregulation of environmental and labor laws, and pretty much get everything they want, this will be the greatest dystopian story of the century.


We're both saying the same thing, actually.
I was saying Hunger Games was a STORY, you're saying Trump's America will be a REALITY.
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#304707 - 12/29/17 03:04 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Trump was recently saying his approval ratings are about the same as President Obama's in his first year in spite of “massive negative Trump coverage & Russia hoax!”

Yeah, the only thing Obama had dragging him down was Trump flapping his gums about sending mythical investigators to Hawaii to investigate his birth certificate and the (literally) unbelievable things they were finding out down there.

P.S. The only polls that show Trump even close to Obama are obvious outliers.

Trump can't wait to do revisionist history, he's into revisionist present.
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#304710 - 12/29/17 06:30 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump is nearly as popular as Vladimir Putin - In Russia. Some people have selective hearing, and selective memory. Trump has selective reality.
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#304714 - 12/30/17 01:42 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
Trump was recently saying his approval ratings are about the same as President Obama's in his first year in spite of “massive negative Trump coverage & Russia hoax!”

Yeah, the only thing Obama had dragging him down was Trump flapping his gums about sending mythical investigators to Hawaii to investigate his birth certificate and the (literally) unbelievable things they were finding out down there.

P.S. The only polls that show Trump even close to Obama are obvious outliers.

Trump can't wait to do revisionist history, he's into revisionist present.

It's just like a white supremacist like Donald J Trump to want to discount accomplishments of America's first black president. Hmm
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#304715 - 12/30/17 03:36 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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am i just not seeing reality?

did you take the red pill or the blue pill?
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#304716 - 12/30/17 03:48 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Spag-hetti]
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you're treating Mr Trump as a rational player. He has a personality disorder which precludes him seeing any reality but his own delusion.

For him if it elevates him, praises him, loves him, etc it is true. If it is negative, it is false.

He lives in an alternate universe in real time. From his perspective what he says is true and valid.

The problem is you are not a part of his universe.

reminds me of this
Originally Posted By: Bob Dylan,
Talkin’ World War III Blues
Half of the people can be part right all of the time
Some of the people can be all right part of the time
But all of the people can’t be all right all of the time
I think Abraham Lincoln said that
“I’ll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours”
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#304726 - 12/30/17 10:23 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: rporter314]
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[N]ow that Mueller is closing in on the White House, the same right-wing figures who zealously defended Starr at every turn have begun to turn on the investigation. The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board called on him to step down, and Newt Gingrich reneged on his initial praise. Some Trump allies even stooped so low as to attack the entire Federal Bureau of Investigation. Even Donald Trump’s personal lawyer has gotten in on the act.

The difference between how the right is treating Mueller and how it treated Starr makes clear that these attacks are not being made in good faith. Trump’s allies are trying to discredit Mueller to insulate the president from being held accountable for the misconduct Mueller might bring to light.

They’re not angry that Mueller is doing his job badly; they’re afraid he’s doing it too well.
There must be consequences in the partisan crusade against Mueller- The Hill (David Brooks) And, it appears, a number of Republicans agree: Republican Attacks on Mueller and F.B.I. Open New Rift in G.O.P. - NYT. "Now some Republican lawmakers are speaking out, worried that Trump loyalists, hoping for short-term gain, could wind up staining the party, dampening morale at the F.B.I. and Justice Department, and potentially recasting Democrats as the true friends of law enforcement for years to come."
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#304727 - 12/31/17 12:25 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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And don't forget: We have internet now. Everything any of these Trump supporters say will be recorded and available to their opponents in every election for the rest of their lives. When this is all over and Trump is gone and pretty universally despised, they are going to have to see themselves attacking the forces of the rule of law over and over again. Their political lives will be over. The history books will label them all traitors.

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#304730 - 12/31/17 01:22 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
And don't forget: We have internet now. Everything any of these Trump supporters say will be recorded and available to their opponents in every election for the rest of their lives. When this is all over and Trump is gone and pretty universally despised, they are going to have to see themselves attacking the forces of the rule of law over and over again. Their political lives will be over. The history books will label them all traitors.

Yup. My hope is that the Dems smarten-up and quit bringing compostable "faux-plastic" knives to street-fights. And, instead, bring solid stainless steel, serrated-edged knives to these media campaign ad street-fights. smile
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