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#304255 - 12/06/17 12:29 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Sometimes it is important to fight lies with facts: Ten Facts You Should Know About the Federal Estate Tax.

Please. The GOP is about to put a teen predator into the U.S. Senate. Hmm
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#304269 - 12/06/17 07:17 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Interesting thing: The GOP did such a bang up job of passing their Senate bill in the dead of night with scribbling in the margins, that they accidentally left the AMT in it! That means all their work on lowering corporation's tax rates is worthless, because they will hit the AMT tax.

Sure, they can fix it in reconciliation, but they thought if Moore loses the Dec 12 election the House could just accept the Senate bill intact and get it signed into law. Now they can't do that. It has to go into reconciliation to fix that because there's no way their donors would be happy with that.

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#304280 - 12/07/17 07:59 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I continue to wonder why neither side will even vaguely refer to the fact that the Republicans are determined to privatize Medicare and Medicaid (get rid of both programs). One would think that the Dems, at the very least, would mention this? Then there is media which, if they even mention it, is in passing, ie. "Medicare is being cut". The fact, however, is that these are not being cut but cut to the bone (almost 1 trillion over 10 years).

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#304281 - 12/07/17 08:10 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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They are too busy rolling over and playing dead.
Thirty five of them did yesterday, in their eagerness to prove some moral high ground which the Republicans are bound to laugh at.


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#304295 - 12/08/17 02:12 AM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: jgw]
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almost 1 trillion over 10 years


Cool, so AARP is going to endorse Democrats for the next decade.

Maybe not such a bad deal for Democrats, to pry retired people out of the GOPs fingers. The funny thing (not ironic, but belly laugh funny) is that Republicans have picked this strategy themselves!

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#304306 - 12/08/17 04:12 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The Closing of the Republican Mind - the Atlantic. "The tax debate offers a clear measure of how deeply insular the GOP has become. It’s now governing solely of, by, and for Red America."
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The GOP not only entirely excluded Democrats from the process of drafting the bills, but the party punished Democratic constituencies—from residents of high-tax states to graduate students—in the bills’ substance. The tax plans represent a political closed circle: bills written solely by Republicans and passed solely by Republican votes that shower their greatest benefits on Republican constituencies. Meanwhile, the biggest losers in the plans are the constituencies of the Democrats who universally opposed them. It’s not just redistribution: The tax bills are also grounded in retribution.
Exactly!
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#304311 - 12/08/17 09:08 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The tax bills are also grounded in retribution.


Just like passing major bills with no bi-partisan support: It means that when Democrats get back in power it all changes. What goes around, comes around. Now that we got rid of the Supreme Court confirmation super-majority rule, the Democrats can install anybody they like when it's their turn. And it may be their turn pretty soon since the Republicans are doing everything in their power to be obnoxious, even criminal.

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#304326 - 12/09/17 06:08 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Jim Crow returns.
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#304328 - 12/09/17 07:31 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here is one I heard this morning and its pretty amazing. Apparently the black community of Alabama is having a problem voting for the white guy and so they are not going to vote and Roy Moore wins. This is the guy, incidentally, who just announced that America was much better off when we had slavery. The left, and the blacks, are VERY picky. When they don't hear, and get, everything they feel they are entitled to they tend to act out in very strange ways and those ways are, invariably, against their own best interests. Its said, for instance, that the Bernie supporters switched their votes to Trump and were, in large part, responsible for Trump getting elected. Now we are told that the blacks of Alabama can't bring themselves to vote for a white guy.

I whine a lot about the Dems not fighting back but, with supporters like this, I am not sure that they don't have some kind of weird mandate to not fight back. I am not sure what to do about the blacks of Alabama but I think that the Bernie supporters, that voted for Trump, should be purged from ANYTHING left including the Democratic party. Brain deads like that are not valued voters of the left and should be abandoned before they wreck whatever of the left is left.

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#304329 - 12/09/17 09:14 PM Re: Big Lies and Tax Cuts [Re: jgw]
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On the other hand, the Democrat in the Alabama race is the guy who prosecuted the KKK for killing Black children in a church bombing. I would think they could come out and vote for that.

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