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#299020 - 02/25/17 06:30 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Mr Big Swede ... are you Nils Bildt?
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#299022 - 02/25/17 06:37 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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...feel free to continue your bigot rants.

I'm not a CONservative, so how would that work? smile

You are coming across as the opinionated bully #1 at this forum just fine nonetheless.

A bully for pointing out your ironic and hypocritical examples and blustering hyperbole? Are you in need of a safe space? coffee

May I suggest dead Andrew's blog? smile


I rest my case.
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#299023 - 02/25/17 06:57 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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@ NW P.
Good assessment of the "us" and "them".
You mention the institutional processes, but are they really the problem? These United States of America are filled with oddities viewed in an international perspective.
No other nation has such a variety of ethnic backgrounds assembled in such a short time. We confess to being fine with that, but are we really?
There is also the flash and glamour of LA and in some views also NYC, that just doesn't come into play in the vast area in between.
Is there still a north-south divide or at least a problem, a lack of understanding?
Money is important all over the world, but nowhere else is money everything the way it is in the US.

If these topics cause the formality of the republic to "misfire", then what?

As I mentioned almost a year ago, I was hesitant to vote for either candidate. And I didin't. None of them were to my liking.


@ Greger
I'm with you! I hope this is nothing more than a bump in the road.

No, I'm not Nils Bildt. It seems he's an immigrant from Sweden who adopted a nobel surname upon getting his green card or becoming American. He is not known in Sweden, from what I hear.
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#299024 - 02/25/17 07:11 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump, however, feeds the furor, because he has no humility

I think if one accepts Mr Trump as a narcissist, then everything which follows makes sense when talking about his personal qualities.

So of course he has no humility, he is a narcissist. Of course [... fill in the blank ...], he is a narcissist. etc

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we can address the larger problem

1. "quality of candidate"
Sec Clinton was an acceptable candidate and would have been a little better if there had not been a 30 year demonization program by Stone, Fitton, etc. And in retrospect a comparison between Sec Clinton and Mr Trump should bring into focus the real problems. She was basically a journeyman candidate, more than capable of doing the job. Sen Sanders was acceptable. About half of the Republican field were acceptable.
2. "vote suppression"
So far this Republican program has limited effect. It's only value is in close races, when very small numbers are meaningful.
3. "the Electoral College"
Argue it no longer is operating as intended by Founders. In a severely divided political atmosphere there can be little doubt it does not work as intended.
4. etc

These are but superficial problems all of which pales to the real problem of an ignorant electorate. You can "fix" all the problems you can name but it would not matter if the electorate continues to be ignorant.

Spkr Gingrich stated when asked about the facts, it doesn't matter; perceptions matter. And it is this which guides the voters. Voters who do not know the facts, but believe the lies. These voters base their perceptions on an irrational fear because it is not based on facts. It is therefore paranoia.

How does one defeat this kind of problem?


Edited by rporter314 (02/25/17 07:17 PM)
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#299026 - 02/25/17 07:20 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Oh! And let me add one more thing, the media. They used to be primarily about informing the public.
But lately they have taken upon them to educate or even master the public. In the age of internet this doesn't sit well with those of us who seek better information.
Media needs to sober up!
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#299027 - 02/25/17 07:52 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: bigswede]
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Nils (why do I always think of Bohr when I see this name?) ... curious as you and he apparently drink from the same bottle of Absolut

I think your observations on American social factions is a bit simplistic. So may I suggest the following comments. I suspect (and have observed in a non-scientific fashion) the growth of these factions through time in the South (where most of my ancestors passed through). I suspect farming is inherently conservative (or risk adverse) in nature vis a vis electronic entrepreneurs who are probably in main more liberal (less risk adverse). Religion played a huge part in the migration across the South with a more conservative interpretation of the Bible for example. Slavery is another example with major social impact. Often overlooked is migration as a factor in itself in developing a political perspective.

I suspect geographical divisions are only of secondary importance and only because of migratory patterns.
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#299028 - 02/25/17 07:55 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: bigswede
I rest my case.

What are you resting your case from? The fact that you want to spew your anti-Islam ignorance and bigotry and go unchallenged? When presented with the FACT that Christians and Jews - who are siblings to Islam - do the very same thing, you want to go into a fetal position and claim bullying.

Sorry pal, the real world doesn't work that way. What you want is a safe space to spew your ignorance and hatred and I suggested a such a place where you can safely do so and not be challenged.

I will not stand for ignorant spewing of hatred of one of the Abrahamic religions by you - when you choose to not check the other two as well.

You think you're clever in what you're doing, but you're really not. Your transparent bigotry is duly noted.

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#299032 - 02/25/17 08:11 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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As an individual free from ALL religions ( seriously, you've chosen to turn your life over to an imaginary, mystical, magical skye faerie) it is easy to see when another is singling out a religion to attack.

If you're going to attack one, you'd best be attacking all three, because, as I have written and shown examples ad nauseam, they have the very same poems and God.

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#299033 - 02/25/17 08:15 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: bigswede]
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the media. They used to be primarily about informing the public

it is a yes and no. if you go back and read 19th century newspapers you will get a lot of straight "facts" in a very uninteresting format (almost like a spreadsheet). But then anything which can be politicized, was.

I am not convinced as yet that the American electorate is educated & objective enough to take a set of facts, properly analyze them, and reach a reasonable conclusion.

I don;t get information from the news media. I get it from primary sources.
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#299040 - 02/25/17 10:22 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: bigswede]
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Originally Posted By: bigswede
Oh! And let me add one more thing, the media. They used to be primarily about informing the public.
But lately they have taken upon them to educate or even master the public. In the age of internet this doesn't sit well with those of us who seek better information.
Media needs to sober up!

I don't know for sure if the media has ever been about just "informing the public". It has always been tilted one way or the other depending on who does the hiring and firing at any media outlet.
Yellow journalism has existed since the first town crier took to the streets and only became more rampant after the invention of the printing press.
Someone once said that the best thing about the internet is that it makes everyone a publisher. And the worst thing about the internet is that it makes everyone a publisher.

We have an all out war going on between the press and the president. I suggest that it is the president who needs to sober up, not the press.
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