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#304263 - 12/06/17 06:08 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
All this talk about impeachment is mostly wasted breath.


Not if we sweep both chambers in 2018.
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#304265 - 12/06/17 06:34 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump Was Embarrased

Trump was upset that the Pence family was bringing their pets to live in Washington, D.C.: WTF? Seems Trump is the first President in 150 years with no pets. I guess that's a matter of taste, but to think your servants should not have pets is the ultimate arrogance.

I think it is just more proof there's something seriously wrong with Donald. And something fundamentally normal about Pence.

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#304268 - 12/06/17 07:15 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

So, ok. Is this a punch in the eye for the Muslim world? Is he trying to draw Muslim ire?

More hate, more attacks and then he gets to use the nukes?

If other countries don't move their embassies, won't Jerusalem be kind of lonely?


Edited by Spag-hetti (12/06/17 07:16 PM)
Edit Reason: Had another thought
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#304271 - 12/06/17 08:51 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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When does the new embassy got bombed?, is what I want to know. This has always been seen as deliberate provocation. When Americans die, will this be another Benghazi? Another Beirut Marine Barracks? If you send more soldiers to guard it, is that just more people who can be killed?

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#304278 - 12/07/17 06:41 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump WANTS the backlash. He WANTS attacks. He WANTS to be a "war time" President because it strokes his ego. And it distracts from Russia. Deep thought is not required. I doubt he thinks about anything (but sleights) for more than 15 minutes. No strategy involved. Evangelicals love it. He wants love.
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#304282 - 12/07/17 08:10 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Alan Dershowitz: Why Trump is right in recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Alan Dershowitz
Fox News
December 6, 2017

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President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital is a perfect response to President Obama’s benighted decision to change American policy by engineering the United Nations Security Council Resolution declaring Judaism’s holiest places in Jerusalem to be occupied territory and a “flagrant violation under international law.” It was President Obama who changed the status quo and made peace more difficult, by handing the Palestinians enormous leverage in future negotiations and disincentivizing them from making a compromised peace.

It had long been American foreign policy to veto any one-sided Security Council resolutions that declared Judaism’s holiest places to be illegally occupied. Obama’s decision to change that policy was not based on American interests or in the interests of peace. It was done out of personal revenge against Prime Minister Netanyahu and an act of pique by the outgoing president.

It was also designed improperly to tie the hands of President-elect Trump. President Trump is doing the right thing by telling the United Nations that the United States now rejects the one-sided U.N. Security Council Resolution.

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#304284 - 12/07/17 08:37 PM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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F*$k Alan Dershowitz. He's been in the bag for Trump for a year. I don't get it. He's been prostituting himself all over the airwaves, and his legal analysis is specious. He's as wrong about this as a half-dozen other opinions he's voiced lately. I recognize that he's Jewish, but that doesn't excuse abandoning all principles.
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#304286 - 12/08/17 12:19 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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Dershowitz apparently selectively forgot UNSCR 242 passed in 1967 regarding status of occupied territories.

Pres Obama has not one-sidedly changed anything but Mr Trump has. With this action he has singlehandedly stopped the peace process from ever succeeding and begun the previously nefarious scheme to annex Palestine to satisfy Jewish extremists.

Let's see. Annexed territory and Palestinians have no Israeli rights. I think that will do it.
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#304287 - 12/08/17 01:07 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: pdx rick]
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I have a number of Jewish friends, and many of them acknowledge privately that Jerusalem is a sticking point in the Jewish psyche, but the Israeli approach has not been consistent with their principles. For many it is a very emotional subject. I understand Dershowitz, but I still vehemently disagree with him. Don't forget that he is, primarily, a libertarian - so his views on Civil Rights are generally good, but he cannot acknowledge his HUGE blind spot when it comes to Israel. On that subject, he turns off his analytical brain and goes with the most extreme, pro-Israel views. He gives lip service to "Palestinians" but not where Jerusalem is concerned. I could link a number of posts to demonstrate that point.
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#304293 - 12/08/17 02:08 AM Re: Trump Forum [Re: rporter314]
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nefarious scheme to annex Palestine


I don't think so: If they annex Palestine, then all of those Palestinians become citizens of Israel. Voting citizens! If Israel even gets to have a non-Jewish majority there would be huge changes.

I think Israelis would prefer a two state solution, but only after they annex all the usable land into Greater Israel.

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