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#304439 - 12/15/17 05:37 PM the biggest redistribution of wealth
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As far as I can tell the biggest redistribution of wealth in the history of America is about to take place. I get some small bit of humor on this one. Historically its the Right that claims that the left is, yet again, redistributing wealth and taking money away from those who provide jobs to take care of the bums. This time, however, its exactly the opposite of that, ie. they are taking money away from the bums and giving it to the richest in the nation. I would have thought that the Left would be raging about this but, while they are talking about it they are not using clever phrases, like "redistribution of wealth" but, instead, facts and figures. As far as I can tell the facts and figures approach simply bores the sleeping American electorate. In the realm of demonization the Left really should examine just how, and why, the Right is so effective when they demonize. I think there is no doubt as to the effectiveness of those efforts by the right. They, for instance, destroyed Hillary with lies and innuendos and they did it over a 30/35 year period.

We should also remember that the Right has a second shoe to drop after they make the redistribution - paying for it! Its currently estimated that the costs of the redistribution is going to be 1.5 TRILLION dollars (many are saying 2.5 TRILLION is closer to the truth). When that happens the REAL rape will occur. They have been trying, for years, to "do something' about Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security and this cost will be used to 'deal' with all of these (and more). Their reason will be that the debt is unsustainable and needs to be reduced. They have done this before and they will be doing it again. The only real difference is that, this time, we are dealing with trillions instead of the old billions.

So, basically, if you have any savings, and are elderly, your best course will be to move to either Canada or Mexico, both of which have universal healthcare. We are currently looking to move to Victoria, BC if this redistribution really starts to take place and before they can get into our stash. I am basing this on the simple fact that the Right has proven, with vigor, that their greed trumphs their integrity, honesty and doing the right thing. I also have faith that the left will be unable to get out the vote (I know, they did in Alabama). My problem is that the left has a large group of Bernie voters who were actually at least partially responsible for Trump (by voting for him) and I see no reason why I could expect these idiots to do anything in their own best interest, ie. there is no reason to have much faith in the voting public of the Left. When you throw in the simple fact that when 40% of the voting public votes, its thought of as a huge turnout my enthusiasm for the future tends to dim a bit more. I, basically, no longer feel that American voters have the capacity to act in their own best interest and are, as far as I can tell, sometimes even proud of that fact!

Just saying.................

Just a thought...............

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#304540 - 12/21/17 02:34 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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O.K.
And now for some perspective about those Bernie supporters who went for trump and how it was all their fault and we cant vote in our own best interest, etc...
WHo's argument has been born out by the historical results.

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#304541 - 12/21/17 02:37 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: jgw]
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And then there's the postmortem that Sanders wrested out of the DNC for his endorsement of Hillary:
Looking at the plane wreckage

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#304542 - 12/21/17 02:42 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: jgw]
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Head for the hills JGW. It might be the wisest move. But for the rest get good and goddam mad! Get out there and fight like hell.
Or get the hell out of the way like Hillary wouldn't.

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#304543 - 12/21/17 03:04 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
O.K.
And now for some perspective about those Bernie supporters who went for trump and how it was all their fault and we cant vote in our own best interest, etc...
WHo's argument has been born out by the historical results.


PS: Chunkstyle, that was a malformed YouTube URL.
I think you were looking for this:




What Bernie SHOULD have done is do his 27 dollar crowdsourcing magic starting in 2009, right after he dropped all this "socialist" nonsense and JOINED the Democratic Party. That way, right around 2013 or 2014, he would have raised over two or three billion which could have been used to WIPE OUT all those corporate Republican Lite Dems, and he could have then run AS A DEMOCRAT for President in 2016 with the full support of the NEW Democratic Party.

Instead, he ran as an outsider, and mind you, I LOVED Bernie and voted for him in the primaries, but what on Earth did he expect from the party which viewed him as an outsider? They did what they were expected to do, protect the Democratic candidate!
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#304545 - 12/21/17 03:53 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Thanks for fixing the link Jeff.
It's too bad the democrats couldn't get behind the candidate that best expressed what liberal progressives were. The very ones that gave us social security, Medicaid, etc that JGW is afraid will be taken away now.
Apparently all one has to do now is stick some banana sticker that reads 'democratic socialist' on someone and it's enough to throw a panic into some. I say screw labels and look at a history book. Why let your opponent decide who's Hanna sticker is valid?
I would suggest that Hillary got what she deserved and view that public postmortem as another gift to the party and it's base from Sanders.
The first gift was his challenging the entrenched bureaucracy and reminded us of what the party once was and what it has become.
If you can't address how the party can rat hole over a BILLION dollars with no over sight, starve state parties of funding, hire useless consultancies and KEEP them on retainer thru Obama's terms then how, HOW, are you going to course correct.
It's not going to be by blaming Sanders for the theft and incompetence.


Edited by chunkstyle (12/21/17 03:58 AM)

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#304546 - 12/21/17 04:02 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: chunkstyle]
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You go girl!!! smile , Bow
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#304547 - 12/21/17 04:03 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: chunkstyle]
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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle
It's too bad the democrats couldn't get behind the candidate that best expressed what liberal progressives were.

Yup. Bow

Fvck this centerist, center-right, Corporate Democrat bullsh!t. smile

Hillary Clinton was a piss-poor candidate. mad
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#304768 - 01/01/18 10:28 PM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: chunkstyle]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: chunkstyle

Apparently all one has to do now is stick some banana sticker that reads 'democratic socialist' on someone and it's enough to throw a panic into some. I say screw labels and look at a history book. Why let your opponent decide who's Hanna sticker is valid?


But the fact is, everyone who has studied Bernie knows he's simply a New Deal FDR liberal Democrat, and has been for some time, for a very long time.
Couldn't he have just said that he was once a student of democratic socialism instead? It wouldn't make Bernie voters love him any less, and it would removed the radioactive tags.
I grant you everything when it comes to the evils of the current Democratic party leadership but when the basics boil out, however they did it, in basic terms they were still "protecting the Democratic Party candidate".
They could have done it more honestly, they could have done a better job of it and their candidate (Hillary) could have BEEN a better candidate.
I grant you everything, but even under the best conditions, given who the current top Democrats in control of the party are, they were still going to protect Hillary.
Had Bernie joined some years ago, the bare truth of it all, his popularity, would have forced them to tell Hillary it was not her time after all.
She might have opted to be Vice President, but Bernie would have been THE candidate, and he would have WON by a landslide.
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#304777 - 01/02/18 04:21 AM Re: the biggest redistribution of wealth [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
rporter314 Offline
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apparently you have never heard Sen Cruz say Sen Sanders is a socialist or democratic socialist. for conservatives it means something other than what it really means.

i suspect it requires long term re-education but then in this modern political hyper-partisan atmosphere, I also suspect political platforms are in transition.

For Republicans they have been in transformation for a number of years, gradually moving from old style republicanism to modern nationalism/nativism/populism. The Democrats still dont know where they will end up.
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