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#304892 - 01/05/18 04:07 PM Re: Gut check [Re: Ken Condon]
chunkstyle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
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gives me mountains of hope!


That’s boo chit Jeff and you know it. The robots are coming (they are here actually) and they are just beginning their ascent. All of the low level, low skilled jobs will be replaced faster than one can say “no--- they won’t replace me”.

There will be jobs available for some but they will require lots of technical skills and subsequent learning. A robot servicing mechanic comes to mind. And by this I mean a human--not a self learning robot.

Those who don’t learn those skills high tech might survive. And hang on by the skin of their teeth in a subsistence world. But that will only be by their wits and tenaciousness in an ever more technological world that will indeed leave many (if not most) behind.

Of course subsistence living is always an option.


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Wassup Ken? You gettin yer prepper on?
I'm not altogether convinced that the rise of automation will lead to the obsolesence of humans. The bank teller/ATM scenario comes to mind. Their is seldom discussion of opportunities that come from automation, as the banking industry realized. There will most likely be disruptions for sure. These will be challenges that will have to be solved. Democratically if possible or a dystopian, as yet to be realized, reality foisted on us. The next few years will be crucial to determine the direction IMHO.
All the more reason to get yer boots on and get out there working. I, for one, am over the 'third way' democrats who take corporate money and settle for a little less democracy.


Edited by chunkstyle (01/05/18 04:11 PM)

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#304906 - 01/05/18 10:09 PM Re: Gut check [Re: chunkstyle]
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As Bennie Sanders learned and demonstrated, you can't change the system if you're not in it. If I want the Democratic party to change, I have to be in it. I want it to change. I want the Republican party to change, too, but I can't be associated with that monster.

I've been in politics long enough to know no meaningful third party will come to exist. It hasn't happened since the Republicans were created, and a lot has been done to solidify the control of the two-party system. Primaries were supposed to wrest control from the parties... That didn't work. Bull Moose party didn't work. Nader, Stein, and Ross Perot only acted as spoilers. George Wallace and John Anderson didn't change the outcome. I want to change the outcome.

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#304907 - 01/05/18 10:36 PM Re: Gut check [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
Quote:
gives me mountains of hope!


That’s boo chit Jeff and you know it. The robots are coming (they are here actually) and they are just beginning their ascent. All of the low level, low skilled jobs will be replaced faster than one can say “no--- they won’t replace me”.

There will be jobs available for some but they will require lots of technical skills and subsequent learning. A robot servicing mechanic comes to mind. And by this I mean a human--not a self learning robot.

Those who don’t learn those skills high tech might survive. And hang on by the skin of their teeth in a subsistence world. But that will only be by their wits and tenaciousness in an ever more technological world that will indeed leave many (if not most) behind.

Of course subsistence living is always an option.


But I never even referred to any of that.
I am only addressing the need to change the fundamentals of a major party, and given that we all witnessed that exact thing happen back in 2010 on the GOP side, we know the formula, and we know it can work.
I cannot predict what automation will do to our lives, Ken.
Neither can any political party.
But I do know that the GOP will never support single payer health care and the Democratic Party might, if we put enough of the right people in there, and sweep Congress.

What we can do to deal with the automation issue is much more likely to happen under a liberal administration.

We need that to happen now...sooner than now in fact.
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#304908 - 01/05/18 10:39 PM Re: Gut check [Re: chunkstyle]
Ken Condon Offline
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Registered: 06/14/07
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Loc: Eugene, OR
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Wassup Ken? You gettin yer prepper on?

Just saying it as I see it. Of course I could be wrong...but me??!!

I’m not saying everyone will be replaced by robotics and automation but I do believe that many lower skilled repetitive jobs will be replaced by such and this even will extend into higher skilled jobs such as accountants, lawyers, even doctors. Surgeons are already assisted by computer robotics.

Although I eagerly await the super computer that will create laws that actually work the best for the most. And benefit society as a whole. I have given up on todays politicians although I still manage a sliver of hope for some Democrats..

I have a hard time visualizing what jobs could not be replaced by technology in the not too distant future. I hope I’m wrong. But you know what is “funny”?

I just got back from a local meeting on recycling in our county (Lane) discussing current events in that field. What with China throwing up red flags etc and asking Americans to cease and desist with the soiled diapers and partially full food cans etc. One of the speakers who works in recycling said they cannot find enough welders to fill positions they need filling. And that job starts at $20.00/hr. with full benefits.

What happened to vocational training in our schools these days?
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#304917 - 01/06/18 05:35 PM Re: Gut check [Re: Ken Condon]
Ujest Shurly Offline
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Registered: 10/16/16
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Loc: Sterling Heights, MI, USA
Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
[quote]What happened to vocational training in our schools these days?



Computers and programming classes...
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#304919 - 01/06/18 06:56 PM Re: Gut check [Re: Ken Condon]
logtroll Offline
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Registered: 04/26/10
Posts: 8867
Loc: New Mexico (not old Mexico)
Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
What happened to vocational training in our schools these days?

I don't think there is a lot of interest in careers that involve physical work and skills anymore.
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#304922 - 01/06/18 07:44 PM Re: Gut check [Re: chunkstyle]
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Registered: 02/27/06
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Loc: North San Diego County
Meanwhile kids who go into air conditioner repair or plumbing are making a very good living. Neither will be automated anytime soon. Probably not withing the working lifetime of an 18 year old.

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#305244 - 01/23/18 01:47 AM Re: Gut check [Re: chunkstyle]
chunkstyle Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 965
Looking at the 'fresh eyes' on the current political and economic zeitgeist, I've found a good bit of fresh insight apart from our grotty and soiled political perspectives. As these kids are going to be a commanding political force in the future it seems prudent to hear what they are saying. I've found a lot of their 'no bullshit' perspectives on the current political and economic system refreshing. They have more to lose propping up a bankrupt order. One of the best podcasts out there for me has been Chapo Trap House. The episode with Adam Curtis was full on truth bombing:
INCOMING!!!


Edited by chunkstyle (01/23/18 01:48 AM)

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