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#304949 - 01/08/18 07:36 PM Immigration Realities
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For decades Congress has failed to take action with regard to immigration into the United States. As a result, every President since FDR has, by Executive Orders and similar actions, had to make allowances for different groups. American Immigration Council. The difference, now, of course, is that actions are being taken against immigrants - even legal ones. An Overview of President Trump’s Executive Actions on Immigration (a bit outdated). In contrast, Reagan, Nixon, and G.W. Bush all took executive actions specifically to help such immigrants when Congress failed to act.

There are some Congressmen, even Republicans, who are willing, and attempting, to act: GOP lawmaker introducing legislation to make 'Dreamers' citizens - CNN; the DREAM Act.

It is time to get realistic about immigration in the United States. The United States has the highest level of immigration in the world: "Today, more than 40 million people living in the U.S. were born in another country, accounting for about one-fifth of the world’s migrants in 2015." Pew Research Center. This has been hugely important for our economy.
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Looking forward, immigrants and their descendants are projected to account for 88% of U.S. population growth through 2065, assuming current immigration trends continue. In addition to new arrivals, U.S. births to immigrant parents will be important to future U.S. growth.

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In 2014, about 27 million immigrants were working in the U.S., making up some 17% of the total civilian labor force. Lawful immigrants made up the majority of the immigrant workforce at 19.5 million. An additional 8 million immigrant workers are unauthorized immigrants, a number little changed since 2009. They alone account for 5% of the civilian labor force.


Moreover, there is the moral aspect of this crisis. Nearly a million "Dreamers" have never known any other homeland than the United States - and many don't even speak the language of their birth nation. There are millions of American citizens whose parents were either temporary or even undocumented immigrants. Are we going to, literally, tear these families apart just to make a point? Moreover, they have been contributing to our nation for decades or more, is that worth nothing? What about those, like the Salvadorans, who have counted on our generosity to build lives here? Are our promises worth nothing?

There is a reason why the United States remains a beacon for displaced people the world over. It's the American Dream. Let them achieve their dreams and make them fully American. Immigrants are the ones that built this nation - literally.
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#304950 - 01/08/18 08:11 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: NW Ponderer]
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When we go into nursing homes, there is literally going to be nobody there to care for us if we deport all these people. Our children are certainly not going to do it! We'll be left to die of neglect all for some stupid ideology of the moment. Deporting the bottom of our labor pool is suicidal.

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#304978 - 01/10/18 10:19 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: pondering_it_all]
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#304992 - 01/11/18 04:01 AM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: NW Ponderer]
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And now who's going to sell us coffee and microwaved burritos at 3 am? Suicidal, I tell you!

BTW, I'm so old I remember when 7-Eleven stores were only open from 7 Am to 11 PM! My neighbors ran a little market right off the SDSU campus called SpeeDee Mart. They sold it to 7-Eleven in about 1965.

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#304995 - 01/11/18 07:27 AM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
And now who's going to sell us coffee and microwaved burritos at 3 am? Suicidal, I tell you!

BTW, I'm so old I remember when 7-Eleven stores were only open from 7 Am to 11 PM! My neighbors ran a little market right off the SDSU campus called SpeeDee Mart. They sold it to 7-Eleven in about 1965.


I remember 7-11's sticking with their original hours, too.
7-11's really DID close at eleven, TV went off the air at midnight, some radio went off the air at SUNDOWN.

Yeah, I am f******g old !!!
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#304997 - 01/11/18 08:25 AM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Naturalization Fact Sheet
Naturalization

The United States has a long history of welcoming immigrants from all parts of the world. During the last decade, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) welcomed more than 7.4 million naturalized citizens into the fabric of our nation. In fiscal year 2016, 752,800 people were naturalized.
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. Ah, remember when the American Dream was universal? Meanwhile, U.S. fertiliy rate hits record low.

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#304998 - 01/11/18 03:59 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
And now who's going to sell us coffee and microwaved burritos at 3 am? Suicidal, I tell you!

BTW, I'm so old I remember when 7-Eleven stores were only open from 7 Am to 11 PM! My neighbors ran a little market right off the SDSU campus called SpeeDee Mart. They sold it to 7-Eleven in about 1965.


I remember 7-11's sticking with their original hours, too.
7-11's really DID close at eleven, TV went off the air at midnight, some radio went off the air at SUNDOWN.

Yeah, I am f******g old !!!


Don't feel alone...
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#305016 - 01/12/18 12:06 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I wonder just what the net flow in and out of Norway is these days? Are more Americans trying to immigrate to Norway than are coming here? The UN does say Norway is the happiest country on Earth.

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#305018 - 01/12/18 12:20 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That Trump is a racist bigot is no surprise to.. well, anyone.
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#305023 - 01/12/18 03:06 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: NW Ponderer]
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the evidence is so overwhelming it no longer deserves comment
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#305025 - 01/12/18 04:20 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: rporter314]
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Trump is going to be SO ticked off if he doesn't get a compliment, a thank you and a box of chocolates from David Duke.
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#305026 - 01/12/18 05:14 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
Trump is going to be SO ticked off if he doesn't get a compliment, a thank you and a box of chocolates from David Duke.

Maybe he has.

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#305027 - 01/12/18 05:15 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Maybe Trump should do a fly-over of those s**thole countries in one of the new F-52s.


Edited by Spag-hetti (01/13/18 04:33 AM)
Edit Reason: Had to preposition a hyphen
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#305028 - 01/12/18 05:19 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Kaine]
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Kaine said:
Maybe he has.


Yeah. Quietly. So far. Duke usually likes to crow like a banty rooster.
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#305033 - 01/12/18 06:07 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
I remember 7-11's sticking with their original hours, too.
7-11's really DID close at eleven, TV went off the air at midnight, some radio went off the air at SUNDOWN.

Yeah, I am f******g old !!!


gobsmacked

I've only known 7-11s to be 24hrs. smile
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#305034 - 01/12/18 06:08 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
That Trump is a racist bigot is no surprise to.. well, anyone.

A real walking, talking, rectum. Hmm
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#305035 - 01/12/18 06:09 PM Re: Immigration Realities [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
Maybe Trump should do a fly-over those s**thole countries in one of the new F-52s.

The guy is an idiot. It's not the first time he's referenced a video game. And you know where he gets ALL of his information from, don'cha...Fox and Friends. crazy
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