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#316084 - 09/29/19 02:06 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: Senator Hatrack]
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Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

The I Amendment protects your right to associate with whomever you choose to. That means that forced desegregation is just as bad as forced segregation. If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.


Forced desegregation wasn't about association, it was about where you were allowed to go to school. I would like for you to check out what black "separate but equal" schooling was like for kids in Texas before desegregation as you pound your libertarian nonsense about association.


What is it with you people?
You're old enough to remember what it was like in real life.

No, people do not have the right to be racists, not if it inflicts restrictions on another person's rights. The right to go to a school just as good as a white school, the right to eat at whatever restaurant you pick, the right to seek a motel or hotel wherever you want, the right to live wherever you want, the right to go to the damn bathroom in the same facilities everyone else gets to use, fer chrissakes.
Forced desegregation is about equalizing the rights of minorities in an attempt to make them the same as everyone else's.

You don't like black people, who cares? But if they want to go to school where your kids go, and they live in the neighborhood, and you run around saying the government has no business forcing the school district to allow her in, then THIS IS YOU:
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#316086 - 09/29/19 03:52 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed on July 2, 1964. Goldwater voted against it. Four months later was the 1964 General Election. Do you think that Goldwater voting against the 1964 Civil Rights Act had anything to do with his defeat? Because Johnson won in a "landslide."

Hmm
There were many factors in LBJ's landslide victory. One of them was his shamelessly using the tragedy of JFK's assassination to get people to vote for him. Another was the blatant lie that Goldwater was a racist. This commercial was a big factor in the election. LBJ's Daisy commercial. In 1964 the war in Vietnam was becoming a quagmire for our country. Goldwater said that the use of low yield nuclear weapons to defoliate North Vietnam might be a good idea. This was probably based on the mistaken belief that the use of the atomic bomb could save the lives of American soldiers as the use of them did to end WWII. Another factor was an interview that Mrs. Goldwater gave in which she said her husband had had two nervous breakdowns back in the late 1930's. This was exploited by Ralph Ginzburg publishing an article in his magazine FACT about an unscientific study of Goldwater's mental health. In the study 12,356 psychiatrists, who had never talked to Goldwater were asked if they thought he was fit to be our President. Another factor was LBJ's insecurity from his youth.* Landslide Lyndon, a nick name he got in the 1948 Democratic Senate primary election. In Texas those days if a candidate won the Democratic primary it was the same as winning the general election. In 1964 LBJ wanted a landslide to show that he wasn't an "accidental President" due to JFK's assassination. So Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act was not that big a factor in the Presidential race.
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#316088 - 09/29/19 03:59 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Would you be upset if your grandkids were forced to accept black kids or Mexican kids who were bused into their school? Hmm

When I was in junior high school black kids were bused to my school to integrate it. I become friends with some of them and still see them to this day.

Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack
If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.

Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Yes, people have the right to be racist, and other people have the right to acknowledge the racism of the first group. smile

Racism is a disgusting form of stupidity. Since we will never get rid of stupidity we will never get rid of racism.
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#316089 - 09/29/19 04:38 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted By: Senator Hatrack

The I Amendment protects your right to associate with whomever you choose to. That means that forced desegregation is just as bad as forced segregation. If our government can force you to associate with those you don't want to it is on its way to be a tyranny. The X Amendment reaffirms the right to associate with whomever you choose to. In other words people have the right to be racists if they want. Our government does not and should not tell how you must think and what you must believe.


Forced desegregation wasn't about association, it was about where you were allowed to go to school. I would like for you to check out what black "separate but equal" schooling was like for kids in Texas before desegregation as you pound your libertarian nonsense about association.

What hell to think segregation is? The Jim Crow laws enforcing segregation were to prevent or limit the association of blacks and whites. The Supreme Court decision Plessy v. Ferguson was to prevent, to segregate, blacks and whites from associating with each other when riding the trains in Louisiana.

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
What is it with you people?
You're old enough to remember what it was like in real life.

Yes, I am old enough to remember what it was like. My junior high school was integrated by force. If you didn't post an emotional rant about this and listened to your elders you might learn something.
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
No, people do not have the right to be racists, not if it inflicts restrictions on another person's rights. The right to go to a school just as good as a white school, the right to eat at whatever restaurant you pick, the right to seek a motel or hotel wherever you want, the right to live wherever you want, the right to go to the damn bathroom in the same facilities everyone else gets to use, fer chrissakes.
Yes, people do have the right to be racists. However, there is an old saying about this. A person's liberty A person's right to be a racist does NOT give them the liberty to deny another person's rights.
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Forced desegregation is about equalizing the rights of minorities in an attempt to make them the same as everyone else's.
If that is true than our government can force you do anything it wants to. Do you want our government to have that much power? I doubt it.

Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
You don't like black people, who cares? But if they want to go to school where your kids go, and they live in the neighborhood, and you run around saying the government has no business forcing the school district to allow her in, then THIS IS YOU:

Just because we have some mutual acquaintances and we might have meet years ago does not mean you know me well enough to make the claim I don't like black people. Do you remember who sent in troops into Little Rock, AR? It wasn't Sen. Fulbright (D-AR). It was Republican Pres. Eisenhower. In 1957 forced integration was a bad idea that was very necessary to reverse the Plessy v. Ferguson decision. Sometimes it takes a bad idea, forced desegregation, to correct an even worse one, forced segregation.
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#316096 - 09/29/19 03:05 PM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: Doug Thompson]
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Originally Posted By: Doug Thompson
<a href="https://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/69982/010918trump-walkingaway" rel="attachment wp-att-69983"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-69983" src="https://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/010918trump-walkingaway-950x498.jpg" alt="" width="696" height="365" /></a>

By DOUG THOMPSON - Opinion

Donald Trump is many things: Vain, ego-consumed, temperamental and a man with many other questionable attributes.

Turns out he is lazy -- perhaps the laziest president of the United States in modern times.

Trump spends most of his weekends playing golf at one of his resorts or dining with those who worship his every word.

At the White House, he seldom starts his days in the Oval Office before 11 a.m. or later after lounging the morning away in his White House residence, watching TV, tweeting his latest tirade or calling those still waiting to hear from him or remain in his shrinking circle of "confidants."

He takes breaks during his shortened days and retires to his bedroom or another room at the White House residence.

Trump calls this his "executive time," a label that will undoubtedly become the joke to dominate talk shows.

When he sees something he doesn't like (which happens often) his thumbs get busy knocking out his latest Twitter rant or calling someone to vent his spleen to bitch and moan about how badly people are treating him.

Trump, reportedly, doesn't like being president lately.  It's not even close to what he expected.

<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-doesnt-seem-to-like-being-president-so-why-not-quit/2017/08/18/83c2e38e-842a-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Writes Evod Von Drehle</a> of The Washington Post:
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<p id="U12203649723580mYH" style="text-align: left;">Evidence is piling up that Donald Trump does not really want to be president of the United States.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">He certainly doesn’t look happy in the job. In his previous life, Trump met whomever he wanted to meet and said whatever he wanted to say. But like all presidents, he finds himself ever more isolated, and his displeasure shows on his face. The loneliness of the job — which so many of his predecessors have ruefully reported — is wearing on him.</p>
<img class="size-large wp-image-69989" src="https://www.capitolhillblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/010818trump-angry-950x515.jpg" alt="" width="696" height="377" />

In photos, Trump appears agitated or unhappy or both.

Adds Von Drehle:
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<p style="text-align: left;">He was drawn to the fame of it, as he once told me aboard his private jet. “It’s the ratings .&#8201;.&#8201;. that gives you power,” then-candidate Trump explained. “It’s not the polls. It’s the ratings.” He loves being the most talked-about man on Earth.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It is a paradoxically self-effacing fame. The job demands that hugely competitive, driven, ambitious individuals — for that’s what it takes to win the job — inhabit a role that requires them to be something other than nakedly themselves.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">As some Trump associates tell it, he never intended to be elected. But having won the part, he doesn’t want to play it, a fact irrefutable after Charlottesville. Rather than speak for the nation — the president’s job — he spoke for Trump. Rather than apply shared values, he apportioned blame.</p>
</blockquote>
Trump thought he could conquer the presidency in his "bull in a china closet" style of beating everyone down around him so he could get his way.  As a novice in the top political job in the world, he deals with people in the job much longer who have more knowledge and skills needed to run a country.

Trump never had the patience needed for the job or the willingness to learn the nuances of the presidency.  His waning popularity drains his energy, the revelations of his many failures dog every move and his inability to do his job shows in his drawn features.

"Trump is losing friends faster than a bully at a birthday party," notes Von Dehle.

Trump's contract with America is four years, with an option to extend it for another four if his employers -- the voters (with a lot of help from the Electoral College) -- decide to give him a second chance.

At this point in time, voters in America see little reason to give Trump a contract extension.  His favorable rating is under 35 percent, a record low for a president at the end of his first year in office.  His campaign rallies no longer attract sizable crowds and voters who saw him as someone who would give them a voice now disrespect his embrace of the GOP establish.

A growing number wonder why he is hanging on as his power, approval and ratings fade. At this point, his only saving grace might be to resign and walk away.

Doing so would be the only time in his failed presidency when he put the nation before himself.

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Copyright © 2018 Capitol Hill Blue

Much of this I agree with. I don't think Trump never thought he would be elected. He wanted to use his candidacy to up his TV show ratings and perhaps start his own network.

Trump was the ultimate old showman who thought and probably still thinks there is no such thing as bad publicity. No publicity is bad. I don't think Trump has found the presidency much fun. Perhaps it is his ego that doesn't allow him to just walk away. I am pretty sure he wants to. Especially today, Sep 2019. But he's a battler, a fighter, if the situation gives a hint he is being forced out or is losing a battle, he won't walk. His thin skin ego wouldn't let him. Heck, Trump creates feuds against anyone who has the gall to utter a bad word about him.

Perhaps both Trump and America would be better served if he made
a completely surprised announcement he was resigning the day after tomorrow for any reason he could think up. At least announced that he won't run again in 2020. But with the threat of impeachment hanging over his head, being the fighter he is along with his huge ego, he won't announced anything except revert to more name calling, throwing more temper tantrums via twitter like a four year old kid whose parents failed to teach him any manners.

I do think being new to politics, being very naive about politics, being out of his comfort zone being in politics, not understanding politics along with thinking his in your face bullying style would let him get his way. That Trump has run up against a very political savvy person in the form of Speaker Pelosi that Trump has no chance of winning against her. Not in the arena of politics anyway.
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#316097 - 09/29/19 03:42 PM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: perotista]
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Originally Posted By: perotista
...he's a battler, a fighter, if the situation gives a hint he is being forced out or is losing a battle, he won't walk.

Trump is also very, very vindictive and a scorched-earther. Trump will take-down other people along with him - Trump will never, ever go-down alone - it's not in him to do that. Hmm
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#316098 - 09/29/19 06:17 PM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: perotista
...he's a battler, a fighter, if the situation gives a hint he is being forced out or is losing a battle, he won't walk.

Trump is also very, very vindictive and a scorched-earther. Trump will take-down other people along with him - Trump will never, ever go-down alone - it's not in him to do that. Hmm


I left out his vindictiveness. Now that goes back to all these needless feuds he has created. Yes, I tend to agree with you.
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#316107 - 09/30/19 12:00 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: Doug Thompson]
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Because Mr Trump is a narcissist he will never walk away. In fact he may barricade himself in the bunker and operate a besieged government until liberals surrender.
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#316109 - 09/30/19 01:45 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
Because Mr Trump is a narcissist he will never walk away. In fact he may barricade himself in the bunker and operate a besieged government until liberals surrender.

Trump should pull a David Koresh. smile
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#316112 - 09/30/19 03:35 AM Re: Trump, you failed. Put America first. Walk away. [Re: pdx rick]
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No narcissist would ever in life make the mistake of admitting they were wrong about anything ... ergo ... Mr Trump would never resign ... and whether he goes willingly or they have to put him in cuffs, he will spend the rest of his days telling anyone who will listen how great is and was for the country and how the Democrats stole the election. I mean can you imagine if he lives another 20 years we have to listen to his crap for all that time.
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