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#304846 - 01/04/18 05:59 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Heh, heh, heh: Trump had his lawyer sent Bannon a Cease and Desist letter claiming he violated a confidentiality agreement, and to stop libeling him. But this is a trap for Trump! If there ever WAS a court action, Bannon would testify under oath and prove everything he claims. Then Trump would have to testify under oath and he would perjure himself. He just can't help it. His brain has obviously deteriorated enough that he can't remember what he said the day or hour before.

His lawyers will NEVER let him take the stand.

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#304847 - 01/04/18 12:25 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Heh, heh, heh: Trump had his lawyer sent Bannon a Cease and Desist letter claiming he violated a confidentiality agreement, and to stop libeling him. But this is a trap for Trump! If there ever WAS a court action, Bannon would testify under oath and prove everything he claims. Then Trump would have to testify under oath and he would perjure himself. He just can't help it. His brain has obviously deteriorated enough that he can't remember what he said the day or hour before.

His lawyers will NEVER let him take the stand.

In the words of Don Trump Jr: "I love it."

This Bannon v Trump in-fighting is so awesome. I'll have to buy a Costco-sized carton of microwave popcorn and just sit-back and do some reading. smile
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#304848 - 01/04/18 12:32 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Steve Bannon said that Donald J Trump is a money launderer (quelle surprise! laugh ) and that Robert Mueller is on the right track. smile
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#304858 - 01/04/18 07:32 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Donald J Trump is a money launderer


That's been so obvious ever since all the US banks figured out Trump would always rip them off.

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#304866 - 01/04/18 08:22 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Deputy AG, FBI director make unannounced visit to Paul Ryan's office. "Muzzle your dog," they said, "and you'll be the next President."
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#304870 - 01/04/18 08:45 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Can Mueller file charges against sitting members of Congress who are patently trying to obstruct an investigation?

Why would any sane rational person want to do that if they were innocent?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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#304871 - 01/04/18 09:21 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think we know now that the FBI investigations started long before the Steele dossier was published, because George Papadopoulos made a drunken confession to Australia's top diplomat in England that the Russians had hacked Democratic emails. Australia contacted the FBI. The stuff in the Steele dossier just confirmed some of their info.

So Nunes' entire theory is blown all to hell. He's barking up the wrong tree and instead of changing trees, he's just barking louder. He's going to be disgraced and then out of office after November.

The recent revelations from Fusion just make these Republican committee members look like gangsters instead of Congressmen.

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#304874 - 01/04/18 10:01 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: rporter314]
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That's a good question. Probably not, although... I was going to post a lengthy response when I came across this article while researching. It does a better job than I could, anyway. Why It is Pointless to Sue a Member of Congress for Defamation - Point of Order. Although the issues are different, the concept is the same.
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It is very difficult to define the outer boundaries of the “job” of a Member of Congress. Almost anything the Member does may have an impact on his relationship with his constituents. Even matters which are indisputably personal, if they become a matter of media inquiry, can impact the Member’s image and thus affect his ability to effectively represent his constituents. This, at least, was the reasoning of Council on Am Islamic Relations v. Ballenger, 444 F.3d 659 (D.C. Cir. 2006), where the court stated: “A Member’s ability to do his job as a legislator effectively is tied, as in this case, to the Member’s relationship with the public and in particular his constituents in the Congress. In other words, there was a clear nexus between the congressman answering a reporter’s question about the congressman’s personal life and the congressman’s ability to carry out his representative responsibilities effectively.”


One person's "obstruction" is another's "constituent service".
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#304881 - 01/05/18 01:59 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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perhaps constituent nullification ... o thats right ... they voted for Mr Trump
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#304890 - 01/05/18 09:39 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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This is so much like Watergate, it is stunning: If they just acknowledged the original crime, sent a few people to jail, and then moved on, it would not have been a big deal. Instead it is all the things they do right up to the highest levels to cover up the crime, that get them in deeper and deeper. Covering up a crime IS Obstruction of Justice! It is much more serious than even the original crime, unless somebody was killed. And it is certainly a High Crime when the President does it.

If Trump was not such a basic crook, at the first mention of Russian dirt they would have called in the FBI. Maybe NOBODY would have gone to jail at all!

There were five Watergate burglars, but 40 government officials were indicted or jailed in the end.

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