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#305344 - 01/29/18 05:56 PM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
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Run candidates that have balls enough to stand up for working class. Candidates that believe in their vision. Take a page from a winning strategy across the pond.
Some meat on dem bones
Stop running centrist republican light candidates that are beholden to the money and effectively neutered to do anything meaningful in a significant way for the majority of americans. Worst yet, cravenly ape the policies of republicans.
We got a hot handful of candidates in our district this year. What they all have in common:
Single payer healthcare
alarm and need to act to thwart the destruction of the environment
Jobs in renewable energy
Demilitarize the police
Strengthening labor laws for the rights of collective bargaining and supporting labor unions (REMEMBER LABOR UNIONS Yew thin ranked, phony board certified colledge edjucated managerial third way republicats perpetually focused on your effin 401's?!)
A constitutional amendment for a right to work, living wage, education, healthcare
It's actually hard deciding who should make it thru the primary!

What a difference a democratic socialist can make. Don't think so yet?
Look at Labors record breaking gains in the U.K. The modern proof of concept.


Edited by chunkstyle (01/29/18 06:01 PM)

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#305350 - 01/29/18 07:15 PM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: jgw]
pondering_it_all Offline
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All good practical positions. Now the only problem is that most voters are actually not members of either Party and consider themselves AS "Republican-Lite" as you put it. Even members of the working class, who would benefit greatly from unions are anti-union. How do you convince people that the Democratic Socialist agenda benefits them when they are just basically anti-Socialist? Doesn't matter that point by point they like your positions. They have a fundamental aversion to Socialism that can't be overcome by facts. Run Democratic Socialists and you'll have a great parade with a million followers, which is impressive but there were 139 million voters in 2016.

That's why we need to avoid the "Socialism" label at all costs, if we want to win. Run candidates who have never claimed to be Socialists but instead mainstream Democrats. Not necessarily Clinton-style third way Democrats, but definitely not Socialists. They can have all the same positions and policy proposals, just as long as they never called themselves Socialists. How about "FDR Democrat"? Everybody loves Social Security and Medicare. Run on protecting them. Run on "Republicans want to take your Social Security and Medicare away".

Then once you have won, pass legislation to implement single-payer, free tuition, less military and more services for the poor, etc.

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#305355 - 01/29/18 08:04 PM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: jgw]
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Democrats, historically, have been socially liberal and financially conservative. This is a simple fact. After Republicans leave the left are the ones that have always been able to clean up the fiscal mess the Republicans left. The current administration will be no different. I firmly believe that the right does this (run up the debt) so that they can justify getting rid of the our entitled economy by destroying, or privatizing, such things as Medicare, Medicaid, education, social security, and prisons. They are at it again right now. I fully expect the existing economy, and its balloons, to tank by the end of the current term and the left can, then, go back and try to fix it.

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#305363 - 01/30/18 12:52 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: jgw]
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That's been the plan for decades. No such thing as a Eisenhower Republican since Reagan.

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#305365 - 01/30/18 01:32 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: pondering_it_all]
chunkstyle Offline
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It's fairly clear to many that the democratic socialist candidate would have won. That comes as a hard truth to the moderate republicans in the democratic party. As the democratic leadership continually fetishes capturing the middle the republicans move further and further to the right, thus dragging the dems further into right wing territory as they punch left.
Podesta's moronic strategy of his willingness to lose white working class voters if it means picking up two disgusted republican women in the suburbs failed miserably. They voted republican anyway. Data keeps rolling in on how poorly Clinton performed as a candidate and the stench from the DNC and the DCCC can no longer be ignored. That same leadership still exists and would rather lose elections and maintain it's power within the organization. There's a term for that but it escapes me at the moment.

one of many good peices covering that horrid campaign

This will be a good way to lose in the upcoming elections for democrats and is already happening.


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#305366 - 01/30/18 02:29 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
George Clooney? He's got the activist credentials, the money, and the celebrity. He's been called one of the 100 most influential people on Earth by Time Magazine. And maybe best of all, he has zero political experience!


No more celebrity presidents, please.
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#305367 - 01/30/18 02:39 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: jgw]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline


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Chunk, I grant you EVERYTHING but your messaging is all wrong...AGAIN.
Check your OPTICS. You're up against a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR FORTY YEAR campaign to scare the crap out of people when they hear the word
"SOCIALISM".

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
That's why we need to avoid the "Socialism" label at all costs, if we want to win. Run candidates who have never claimed to be Socialists but instead mainstream Democrats. Not necessarily Clinton-style third way Democrats, but definitely not Socialists. They can have all the same positions and policy proposals, just as long as they never called themselves Socialists. How about "FDR Democrat"? "?


How much money did Bernie raise with his crowdsourcing mojo?
Get to work raising that kind of money to sweep out the dead wood in the Democratic Party. There are THOUSANDS of new liberal Dems running this year. Give them a fighting chance.



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#305368 - 01/30/18 02:40 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: jgw]
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Quote:
...dems smelling blood...


***Piffle***

rolleyes
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#305369 - 01/30/18 03:55 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
chunkstyle Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 823
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Chunk, I grant you EVERYTHING but your messaging is all wrong...AGAIN.
Check your OPTICS. You're up against a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR FORTY YEAR campaign to scare the crap out of people when they hear the word
"SOCIALISM".

Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
That's why we need to avoid the "Socialism" label at all costs, if we want to win. Run candidates who have never claimed to be Socialists but instead mainstream Democrats. Not necessarily Clinton-style third way Democrats, but definitely not Socialists. They can have all the same positions and policy proposals, just as long as they never called themselves Socialists. How about "FDR Democrat"? "?


How much money did Bernie raise with his crowdsourcing mojo?
Get to work raising that kind of money to sweep out the dead wood in the Democratic Party. There are THOUSANDS of new liberal Dems running this year. Give them a fighting chance.





Ummm....yeah
A 7o+ democratic socialist from vermont wandered out to a mic last spring and announced his candidacy, outlined by some of the boldest (or mainstram back in the day) positions of all the Democratic candidates ,IMO, and nearly unseated the 'anointed one' that had all the backing of wall street and party machine.

How'd that go.

Your making the same argument as they were making about Corbyn.

Frankly, DSA candidates have been winning while centrist republican Dems have been knock kneed and biting their finger nails about 'optics'. They and the Dem leadership still haven't figured out what time it is. The article is a good dive into this and I would advise, should you feel the need, that you donate any campaign contribution away from the centrist dem establishment. There are groups that will spend it on better candidates than these carpet bagging repulican Dems.

Sooner or later, Jeff, you may come to the conclusion that establishment dems are simply the other faction of the right wing of 30 years ago.

There's a reason we are where we are and it's no good trying to put blame on one party or the russians or Bernie supporters.It's taken a long time to get in this place and it's going to take a lot of effort to get out, if we can. Why listen to the people that have been so wrong on candidates and policy? They have wasted all their political capitol and a presidency and you now have nothing to show for those votes. They have undone everything and you want to worry about Labels at this point? Stop listening to the Mandarins.

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#305372 - 01/30/18 08:58 AM Re: dems smelling blood [Re: chunkstyle]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Quote:
It's fairly clear to many that the democratic socialist candidate would have won.


The ONLY reason Bernie did so well is that Republicans never attacked him. They WANTED him to win the primaries because he would have been so easy to defeat. HE was their chosen Democratic candidate.

Why? Because as soon as he won the nomination they would have screamed COMMIE nonstop until the election. Then they would have brought up some stuff he wrote years ago about underage sex and screamed PEDO too. By the time they were finished, less than 10% of the voters would have voted for him. What they did to Hillary for 30 years would have looked like a minor dislike in comparison.

It wouldn't have been "Democrat ahead by 5 million votes". It would have been "Democratic Socialist gets 10% of the vote".

Face it: Not even 10% of American voters favor Socialism, even though it makes perfect sense and would benefit them. But they just don't care. Don't take my word for it. Go out and ask 1000 people if they would vote for a Socialist. You'll see.

And count all the Socialists in The Senate: 1

BTW chunkstyle: "A constitutional amendment for a right to work" is a Republican union killer position, not a Democratic-Socialist position.
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