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#305739 - 02/24/18 06:14 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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#305788 - 02/27/18 04:12 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Jason Sattler outlines a conspiracy against the United States.
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#305789 - 02/27/18 05:44 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Jason Sattler outlines a conspiracy against the United States.

Interesting.

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#305790 - 02/27/18 06:31 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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He doesn't seem very concerned about the impending attacks to our upcoming election.

Trump has not given us permission to stop Russian attacks on 2018 elections

So it begs the simple question:
Why would Republicans WANT Russia to NOT attack our election process?
Maybe some Republicans here could answer that question, and then tell us why Trump hasn't yet authorized any action.
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#305791 - 02/27/18 09:04 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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why Trump hasn't yet authorized any action.

the obvious answer is Mr Trump does not believe Russia meddled ergo there is nothing to rebuff. If he should authorize retaliation or defense against further meddling, it would be an admission the Russians may have influenced the election to help him etc etc

but on an entirely different level is the more curious thought Mr Trump is somehow still engaged in collusion with Russia to defang US response for some quid pro quo scheme.

I don't think there can be any other reasonable possibilities. Should that be the case, Mr Trump has sold America out.
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#305797 - 02/28/18 02:06 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Imagine what the response would be if it was thought that the Russians had pivoted and were preparing to help Democrats.
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#305798 - 02/28/18 02:28 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Remember when Trump said he was eager to be interviewed by Mueller? And remember how his lawyers and a lot of his "talking head" supporters screamed, "No! It will be a perjury trap," or words to that effect?

I'm thinking a perjury trap would consist of Mueller asking a question and Trump lying. Pretty simple trap.

If Trump knew it was vital to tell the truth in a situation and was still that likely to lie anyway, doesn't that scream that he has a true problem? If he can NOT force himself to tell the truth, even when it is vital to his own self interest, isn't he a really sick puppy?
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#305804 - 02/28/18 04:21 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Y'all are really down on the whole ConROT Collective this mawnin', y'all git up on th' wrong side a th' hammock, mebbes?
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#305805 - 02/28/18 06:15 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Spag-hetti]
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isn't he a really sick puppy?

well yes he is. He has a personality disorder known as narcissistic personality disorder or NPD.

let me quote
Originally Posted By: Narcissistic personality disorder - wiki
Persons with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are characterized by their persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a personal disdain for, and lack of empathy for other people. As such, the person with NPD usually displays the behaviors of arrogance, a sense of superiority, and actively seeks to establish abusive power and control over other people. Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition different from self-confidence (a strong sense of self); people with NPD typically value themselves over other persons to the extent that they openly disregard the feelings and wishes of others, and expect to be treated as superior, regardless of their actual status or achievements. Moreover, the person with narcissistic personality disorder usually exhibits a fragile ego (self-concept), an inability to tolerate criticism, and a tendency to belittle others in order to validate their own superiority.

From your perspective the delusions created by Mr Trump would be lies. From his perspective, they are a reflection of his mental state which maintains he is the greatest whatever to have lived. Failure to maintain this delusion is a major assault on his personality which can not be tolerated, therefore he would "lie" in order to maintain it.

Merely asking any garden variety question would be useless since the answers for many would inherently be lies and therefore of no probative value. SP Mueller probably knows this and would only ask questions, the answers of which would be invariant and therefore useful.

This is a little more tricky than a perjury trap.
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#305809 - 02/28/18 11:36 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I don't think Mueller wants to know Trump's opinion on himself or anything else for that matter. He wants answers that are about objective factual events. If Trump lies about those events, that is perjury. Another useful fact to know: A good prosecutor always knows the objective factual answer to every question he asks, before he asks it. And Mueller is a top-notch prosecutor.

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