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#304791 - 01/02/18 08:09 PM Round Table for January, 2018
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On 21 February 1850, the British government purchased the Barque-rigged ship, Ptarmigan, to engage in an expedition to find Rear-Admiral Sir John Franklin, an English Royal Navy officer and explorer of the Arctic. He disappeared on his last expedition, attempting to chart and navigate a section of the Northwest Passage in the Canadian Arctic. Ptarmigan was renamed, and refitted for Arctic service. The refitting included installation of strong timbers, an internal heating system, and a polar bear as a figurehead. During 1850-51 the renamed HMS Resolute sailed the eastern Arctic under the command of Horatio Thomas Austin. Although they failed to find the Franklin expedition, they did find traces of Franklin's first winter camp on Beechey Island. On a subsequent expedition to find Franklin, Resolute, was part of a squadron under the command of Sir Edward Belcher. In 1853, Resolute was among several of Belcher's ships to be trapped in the ice and ordered abandoned in 1854.
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On 10 September 1855, the abandoned Resolute was found adrift by the American whaler George Henry, captained by James Buddington of Groton, Connecticut[1] in an ice floe off Cape Walsingham of Baffin Island, 1,200 miles (1,900 km) from where she had been abandoned. An October 1856 New York Journal relates Captain Buddington and crew's encounter:
“Finally, stealing over the side, they found everything stowed away in proper order for desertion—spars hauled up to one side and bound, boats piled together, and hatches closed. Everything wore the silence of the tomb. Finally reaching the cabin door they broke in, and found their way in the darkness to the table. On it they accidentally turned on a box of lucifer matches; in a moment one was ignited, the glowing light revealed a candle; it was lit and before the astonished gaze of these men exposed a scene that appeared to be rather one of enchantment than reality. Upon a massive table was a metal teapot, glistening as if new, also a large volume of Scott's family Bible, together with glasses and decanters filled with choice liquors. Near by was Captain Kellett's chair, a piece of massive furniture, over which had been thrown, as if to protect this seat from vulgar occupation, the royal flag of Great Britain.”

Buddington split his crew, and took 13 men with him on the Resolute. He arrived home in New London, Connecticut on Christmas Eve.
- Wikipedia. The Resolute continued to serve the Royal Navy from 1856 until retired in 1879. It was later salvaged for timber, which is where the story makes an interesting turn:

Three desks were made from the timbers of Resolute, one of which, a large "partner's desk" was presented to U.S. President Rutherford B. Hayes in 1880 as a gesture of thanks for the rescue and return of Resolute. It is that desk which has served seven Presidents, many with distinction.

Welcome to the Round Table for January 2018.

January is the month for making and breaking resolutions. I like to think of it as a tradition stemming from the Resolute desk (although I'm certain that's not true). Many an important document has been signed upon that desk, and many have changed the course of our homeland.

Now, of course, is a time for remaining resolute. Many of our institutions, and the government itself, is under attack - not from without, but by those entrusted with its care. WE, as a People, need to resolve not to let that happen. Those are the thoughts with which I've started my new year. What are yours?*




*(The mystery surrounding Franklin's last expedition was the subject of a 2006 episode of the Nova television series Arctic Passage and a 2006 documentary "Franklin's Lost Expedition" on Discovery HD Theater. In September 2014, the Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, announced that the wreck of HMS Erebus, one of the two ships from Franklin's final voyage, had been rediscovered. On 12 September 2016, it was announced that the Arctic Research Foundation expedition had found the second ship, HMS Terror, south of King William Island in Terror Bay and in "pristine" condition. The icebound ships were abandoned and the entire crew died of starvation, hypothermia, tuberculosis, lead poisoning, and scurvy. Encyclopedia Britannica.)

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#304796 - 01/02/18 10:17 PM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#304797 - 01/02/18 10:38 PM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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My resolution is to motivate as many voters as I can for the mid-terms.
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#304810 - 01/03/18 03:20 AM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Defeat terrorism and world dictators? He couldn't even beat Two And A Half Men smile


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#304824 - 01/03/18 07:11 PM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I'm not sure where else to put this, but it is pretty important. It seems like the more people actually look at the evidence and the experiment designs, the more it looks like "The Post-Truth Times" notion is bunk. This is the idea that you can't correct people's mistaken ideas and such attempts will have a "boomerang effect" that makes them believe in fake news even more. It seems this is an accepted myth now, just like a lot of other social science rubbish that is rapidly being reviewed and discarded as not reproducible. The best evidence of this is the fact that some of the original "Boomerang Researchers" can't get their correction papers published! It is established knowledge despite new facts to the contrary!

Some Things Matter

That is a rather long and detailed Slate article, but worth knowing. To summarize, it DOES help to debunk fake news. It may not reach hard-core conservatives who have an elaborate fantasy world view constructed, but that is a relatively small percentage of the population and they are bonkers anyway. For everybody else, fact-checking works to correct misperceptions.

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#304836 - 01/04/18 02:23 AM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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To be fair, let's have a look at the people who believe in "fake news," keeping these studies in mind:


Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

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Conservatives Big on Fear, Brain Study Finds

We'll dealing with genetics here and there is no changing that in people. Hmm When you only breed with others like you, instead of going outside of your own gene pool, these types of things, result.
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#304838 - 01/04/18 02:34 AM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Yes, and those people are not capable of understanding something as complicated as the real world. Don't bother. Remember, for every person with an IQ of 120, there's another with an IQ of 80. Fortunately, most of the truly mentally challenged don't vote. But aside from them, you probably can reach most people with enough repetition and real-world facts clashing with their misconceptions.

Your belief in our ability to fly starts to get unattractive after you jump off enough bridges. Pain is the great instructor.

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#304843 - 01/04/18 04:06 AM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Yes, and those people are not capable of understanding something as complicated as the real world. Don't bother. Remember, for every person with an IQ of 120, there's another with an IQ of 80. Fortunately, most of the truly mentally challenged don't vote. But aside from them, you probably can reach most people with enough repetition and real-world facts clashing with their misconceptions.

Your belief in our ability to fly starts to get unattractive after you jump off enough bridges. Pain is the great instructor.


Respectfully disagree!
For every person with an IQ of 120, there are six to EIGHT people with an IQ of around 80, maybe 85.
And most of them DO VOTE, because they go to their churches where their pastor tells them they're gonna burn in the lake of fire if they DON'T vote...for Republicans.
They're told that the evil libtards are gonna turn their world commie-nist if they don't vote.

The Right wing revisionist machine is now cranking full force, my friend. The alt-Right is now invested like a blue chip company.
The Right spends well over a billion or two every year to build more and more elaborate fantasy versions of the world, festooned with enough alternate facts to choke a mule.

Hitler was a liberal, blacks were better off under slavery, Hillary ran a kiddie whorehouse out of a pizza parlor, Obama tried to get the military to take over Texas, Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist and he's gonna make your daughters ride black guys, global warming can't be true because we still have snowballs, your sons can catch "gay cooties" and turn queer and want sex with little boys, Jesus wrote the Constitution while he was riding a dinosaur, if it's a legitimate rape a woman's body has a way of shutting that whole thing down, the Founding Fathers never intended that the Constitution go past the Tenth Amendment, the Supreme Court isn't supposed to interpret the law (except when it helps the Right), America isn't a democracy because it's a republic, our money is actually a slavery contract to an illegal corporation masquerading as the government, the press is nothing but evil lies, and perhaps the biggest lie of them all, the more money you let rich people steal, the better crumbs you will get in the end.

They're spending REAL money on this crap, and when you spend that kind of money, you expect to get results, and they are.
They're stealing elections and consolidating their lock on power, and now they have the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, an orange colored reality TV host with a BIG MOUTH and NO FILTER.
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#304860 - 01/04/18 07:50 PM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I agree with everything you say except: "For every person with an IQ of 120, there are six to EIGHT people with an IQ of around 80, maybe 85."

I hate to burst your bubble, but IQ is a Poisson Distribution with a mean centered around 100. It is almost but not quite a Normal Distribution because you can't have an IQ lower than 0, but you can have an IQ above 200. (I even know someone with an IQ above 200!)

The shape of the curve is an objective fact. There is no disagreement about it. For everybody with an IQ 10 points above 100, there is an equal number of people with IQs 10 points below 100. If you state it differently, for every person with an IQ of 120, there are the same number at 80.

When you change the terms so you consider people with IQs from 80 through 85, there are as many in the IQ range of 115 to 120. But the curve is pretty steep so there a lot more near 115 and 85, than at 120 and 80.

It simply comes down to this: For every smart person, there is an equally dumb person.

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#304862 - 01/04/18 08:07 PM Re: Round Table for January, 2018 [Re: NW Ponderer]
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So you do not believe that stupid people are breeding at exponential rates.
Maybe so, but are you prepared to take into account the number of WILLFULLY IGNORANT people?
That is where my equation prospers, and yours does not.
And the reason why that is important is, ignorance is not tied to IQ at all, however ignorance serves the same outcome as stupidity, therefore irregardless of the amount of mental horsepower a person's brain might have, they are the mental equivalent of a fleet of muscle cars driving around at 90 mph on 4 inch wide bald 14 inch bias ply tires in the rain.
And the willfully ignorant have their foot to the floor while they text at the same time.
And they ARE breeding at exponential rates.

We are now living IN the real version of the movie "Idiocracy".

Last but not least, most IQ tests are administered in school between third and eighth grade. Once these morons skip out of ninth grade, rest assured they are actively lowering their IQ's by at least ten to twenty points a year until they REACH about 80 or 85.

And that's about the time they run for President.
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