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#305423 - 01/31/18 09:57 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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You might consider upping your medication. I'm not a psychiatrist, but even I can see your delusions are interfering with your ability to enjoy life. It doesn't have to be this bad.

I think it could be important to get back in a balanced state so you don't go off the deep end in November. When your dreams are crushed it's tempting just to lash out and hurt a lot of your perceived enemies, but suicide-by-cop or life in prison is usually the result.

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#305443 - 02/01/18 07:08 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I no longer have any doubt that the Trump campaign was thoroughly infiltrated by Russian agents, and that the corruption of this administration has exceeded that of any other. Notwithstanding that, I don't see any reasonable opportunity to oust them, nor prevent excessive damage to the government, the economy and the military before 2020. This is existential.

I see the following scenario playing out over the next 3 years: Trump's disastrous administration will continue for the next year, and Republican partisanship and contumely will increase as they see their prospects dim. Democrats will gain 30+ house seats and perhaps a couple of Senate seats to get a one or two seat Senate majority.

By December Mueller will have indicted a few more players, and investigations in the House (and maybe Senate) will uncover even more corruption. Trump's tax returns may even appear. At least a half-dozen more Trump administration members will leave under a cloud (Ben Carson may be next). Judicial appointments will essentially cease, but the partisanship of the judiciary will become even more obvious.

By early 2019 the stench of corruption will permeate Washington, but the disaster will not abate. There will not be enough Democrats to overcome the combined efforts of Trump and the Republicans to block legislation or pursue impeachment. Gridlock will be the norm. 50 percent of the agencies will be run by interim/acting directors. Congress will take no recesses to prevent recess appointments.

By mid-2019 the economy will tank (the signs are already there). Republicans will loudly proclaim the Democrats are at fault despite the obvious cause. There will be at least one government shutdown. My greatest fear at this point will be that an unnecessary war will be instigated to try to bolster/paper over a flagging economy and crumbling government.

I can't go on. The prospects are just too horrid to contemplate.
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#305444 - 02/01/18 09:34 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I believe that, in 2018, nothing will actually change OR the Dems will run the board and win massively. The win will only happen if the Dems are able to get out the vote of the left. That one may happen, if it doesn't we will be in the same boat we find ourselves today. If Mueller is able to keep going then the Dems will need a few less votes and, I believe, Trump will be done, hopefully along with those elected who are, apparently, wedded to him. That goes for his fellow travelers too.

We would all be better off if the supposed liberal talking heads actually called out the lying jackass on a regular basis instead of trying to maintain a 'fair' view of what is truly unfair (the right has no problem hammering their lies into the minds of the American electorate). His state of the union speech is an example. Here is a link to Politicfact's thoughts on that speech http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...te-union-speec/
If you read this, and relate it to what you hear and see on TV you will find that most cherry picked and some of this stuff was almost not covered at all. An example is the failing grade we are getting from Europe since the lying jackass too office.

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#305445 - 02/02/18 04:13 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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And yet anyone with the right charisma could crowdsource a Tea Party STYLE rout of the Democratic Party, either prior to 2018 or commence it immediately after, triggering a massive reshuffling of Democratic Party values, remaking it into an actual liberal party once again.

Trump worries aside, this is our duty, this is what we need more than anything else. If we fail, expect exactly what the two posts above have outlined, and America will not go out with a bang, but a whimper...and we will be soundly defeated in that "war" too by the way. When almost everyone knows there is nothing worth fighting for, it's difficult to win, or even prevent a ringing defeat.
If we fail to achieve majorities in both chambers, or at least the Senate, we might as well bend over and accept the coming authoritarian fascist state.
It will be with us for a generation, regardless of who or how many actually support it, because it will be bought and paid for, and by cracky, they expect something for their money.

And we know what happens to moribund and universally hated authoritarian states. No matter what side of the spectrum they're on, they collapse, and if they are born moribund, they collapse in utero, and are stillborn or doomed to early failure.

That would mean the fracture of the Union as we know it today, balkanization, possibly even civil war.
China would make popcorn and profit, Russia would make popcorn and profit, and Europe would be ripe for the taking.
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#305589 - 02/16/18 06:48 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: rporter314]
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Special counsel Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 election - NBC. No word yet if one of them is named "Trump"...

Quote:
"From in or around 2014 to the present, Defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury)..."
Yeah, we know some of them, too.
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#305590 - 02/16/18 07:18 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Donald Trump, a Playboy Model, and a System for Concealing Infidelity - The New Yorker.

Why here, you ask? Two reasons: first, the appearance that Pecker had control over Trump (like Putin); second, the "system" Trump had in place for covering up infidelity looks a lot like other criminal conspiracies. Plus, they all look like "in kind" contributions to his campaign (the hush money payments, not the sex).
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#305591 - 02/16/18 08:19 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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What is the probability that Donald Trump is being actively blackmailed right NOW?
It's a serious, honest question.
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#305592 - 02/16/18 09:18 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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#305594 - 02/17/18 12:25 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: jgw]
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#305595 - 02/17/18 12:29 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
What is the probability that Donald Trump is being actively blackmailed right NOW?
By the balls...
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