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#305702 - 02/22/18 01:56 AM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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Yeah, it's all fake news until your kid is dead...

Actually none of the shooting survivors were invited to Trump's "meeting". He really "met" with a bunch of carefully vetted Trump fans who were fed a script. This is state propaganda, the ultimate fake news.

The good news is that there are thousands and thousands of kids growing up and voting soon who have experienced a school shooting directly.

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#305703 - 02/22/18 12:39 PM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I watched part of the session and was surprised at the passion expressed. If they were extremely "vetted", someone is going to get fired. Do I think it's going to have any more impact than the ballyhooed DACA session? No. But there were plenty of concrete ideas, passionately expressed to help the public stay focused. For Trump,
who has no actual empathy, it took notes to pretend to be human: But for many of the participants, their comments came from a real place: Listen to Sam Zeif.
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#305706 - 02/22/18 03:19 PM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump hears emotional pleas from school shooting survivors, families, and promptly fails to listen: Trump Tweets Support for NRA, Weighs Gun Limits . He'll do whatever the NRA allows him to do, as long as it doesn't offend Vladimir.
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#305708 - 02/22/18 07:52 PM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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It really is getting strange out there. A quote, thought to be made by Einstein (but apparently was not) goes lik:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

It dawns on my that if this is true then the entire United States of America may be insane. Think about it. We are in a war that is entering its 18th year in Afghanistan. There have been articles, and books, written explaining that the military has made the same promises, with the same results, several times. The results have been utter failure.

We have a war on drugs which has been going on since the time of Nixon. In the 40 years we have been waging this war nothing has changed except that, apparently, we now do more drugs than we did 40 years ago and have bravely spent over 1 TRILLION dollars. In 2015 we spend approximately 51 billion on a war that we have not even been close to winning. At the same time the nation of Portugal no longer has a drug problem but we bravely ignore that little fact. So our solution to drugs is to ignore the entire rest of the world, keep on with our fail war, and continue to have serious problems with drugs.

We are well aware that we have a problem with gun violence. We also know how the entire rest of the world has deal with such violence. Their secret solution is to seriously control guns in their countries. The last nation to get their guns under control has been Australia and, while they still have the odd gun problem they have basically taken care of the problem. We, on the other hand, are constantly being told that the only solution to gun violence is to have MORE guns. Our gun problems are not only going away but getting worse!

I am sure that there are other examples of this kind of behavior. I also know, from personal experience, that most other civilized nations of the earth think that we just might be insane! I personally think that our problems are, basically, due to a voting public wherein a voting turnout of anything over 40% is called a landslide, even though that figure is not even half the American voting public. So, we have an obviously greedy, self serving elected class, voted in by the minority that actually votes and a Lying Jackass as our leader, also voted in by them that actually vote.

Just another thought....................

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#305710 - 02/22/18 10:31 PM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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the entire United States of America may be insane.

Actually a little less than half. Unfortunately due to the vagaries of the Electoral College their candidate is sitting in the oval office.
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#305711 - 02/22/18 10:53 PM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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So ponder this:
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Just over a week after 17 people were killed at Parkland, Fla., high school, National Rifle Association executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre gave a fiery, defiant speech at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, on Thursday at the National Harbor in Maryland. LaPierre defended Second Amendment rights and warned of a “socialist agenda” intended to strip firearms away from law-abiding citizens.

This LaPierre character needs some mental health counseling himself. Also, this is another reason why any sort of common sense compromise on any attempted new legislation has become politically impossible. The Russians have done a masterful job indeed. Way better than they ever could possibly have dreamed of.

I used to shake my head in wonderment after reading the comments section from most any given article. On anything. Now it’s painfully obvious that a great many of those comments have been written by any number of given robots. People are simply not that thick headed, are they?

Don’t answer that.

>>>>>Link to article<<<<<

An aside: I’ve come up with a great new name for the next hip hop superstar:

War N. Druggz

Hopefully it’s not already taken. I’m counting on making $mega millions$ off of that.
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#305712 - 02/23/18 01:06 AM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: Ken Condon]
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This LaPierre character needs some mental health counseling himself


I often think the NRA fights mental health restrictions on gun ownership because it would decimate their ranks. Between that, use of certain drugs like anti-depressants, and domestic abuse, how many NRA members would still be allowed to own guns?

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#305715 - 02/23/18 02:19 AM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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Did anybody notice the story about the deputy sheriff who was the high school's armed security officer? Video shows him going to the outside of the building were the shooting was going on, and then just standing there. He did NOT confront the shooter at all. I suppose he was waiting for backup, or SWAT, or whatever. Actually perfectly sensible, but now he's fired.

This shows what "a good guy with a gun" would do, which is exactly nothing. Arm a bunch of teachers and they will run and hide if somebody starts shooting. The only reason they would engage a shooter is if he broke into their locked classroom and threatened to shoot them. They are more likely to shoot students trying to get into their classroom to flee the shooter. Then when the police DO show up, there would be all of these armed people running around and getting killed by police. Total clusterfug!

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#305719 - 02/23/18 04:36 AM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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Conservatives are livid that young, articulate Americans, who make extremely sympathetic advocates, are garnering attention and asking for respectful hearing for their views.

Conservatives now have to disagree on substance, and not be able to give the kind of full-throated personal attack they’re used to, causing these really old conservatives to shake their tiny fists in a fury at these young Americans - which is just so sad.
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#305721 - 02/23/18 09:55 AM Re: High Schoolers acting out [Re: jgw]
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And Conservatives want everyone to completely ignore them just because they are not old enough to be qualified to talk about the events that almost killed them! So somebody who never had a loaded gun pointed at them for their 40 years is somehow more qualified? I think these survivors are the most qualified anyone can be to talk about the subject.

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