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#305694 - 02/21/18 10:54 PM What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal
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What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal
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The early history of American populism, culminating in the New Deal, suggests a more productive and less damaging kind of populism. When populism succeeds, it does so not by cosmetic gimmicks but by going after the roots of economic injustice directly.
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#305707 - 02/22/18 06:25 PM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Lordy!
New York Times explains populism to us as the New York Times sees it. The author has to go all the way back to Bryan to explain it to us. Should we go to the way back machine of 2016 where we had a real inclusive populist competing against a neoliberal technocrat and the Times acted like an outpost for her campaign?
You want to see another long distant past example have a look at a politician from the United Kingdom that led his down and out political party to a roaring comeback by stridently supporting inclusive populist policy while railing against the financial industry.
It's ironic that the author has to step over the most recent examples of inclusive populism and explain it to us 'from the mist of time' comfort zone.


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#305709 - 02/22/18 10:05 PM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: chunkstyle]
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It's ironic that the author has to step over the most recent examples of inclusive populism and explain it to us 'from the mist of time' comfort zone.


One dead horse is as good as another, Chunky.

William Jennings Bryan.
I'm indirectly named after him. My grandpa was Bryan Jennings Gano, born in 1896 and named after the great orator himself. Three times the Democratic nominee for the office of president. My middle name is Bryan.

William Jennings Bryan was a assho'e.

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If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.
William Jennings Bryan


In this day and age he would have been one of the most loathesome of the Christian right-wing demagogues. Democrats then were not the same as Democrats now.
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#305714 - 02/23/18 02:14 AM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: Greger]
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If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.
William Jennings Bryan

Gives new meaning to the term “deep throat’.

No?
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#305718 - 02/23/18 03:19 AM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
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It's ironic that the author has to step over the most recent examples of inclusive populism and explain it to us 'from the mist of time' comfort zone.


One dead horse is as good as another, Chunky.

William Jennings Bryan.
I'm indirectly named after him. My grandpa was Bryan Jennings Gano, born in 1896 and named after the great orator himself. Three times the Democratic nominee for the office of president. My middle name is Bryan.

William Jennings Bryan was a assho'e.

Quote:
If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.
William Jennings Bryan


In this day and age he would have been one of the most loathesome of the Christian right-wing demagogues. Democrats then were not the same as Democrats now.


Yeah, I hear you. I understand he had his flaws but in a society that was bought and paid for by the wealthy he was a new brew to speak out against the power structures and capitalism, no?

What I take exception to is the NYT needing to go back into the mists of time where the concept is remote and far off when there are plenty of modern day examples they could have gotten behind. Ralph Nader comes to mind as does Sanders and Corbyn. Something more near, relevant and possible.
The times backed the wrong horse and now it wants to give us an edjumication in populism from a century ago. Just me, but I find it ironic and insulting.


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#305723 - 02/23/18 01:16 PM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: Ken Condon]
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If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.
William Jennings Bryan

Gives new meaning to the term “deep throat’.

No?

I think that a big mouth would also be required. Really big.
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#305724 - 02/23/18 03:43 PM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I take your point, chunk, and it's a valid one, but I think the larger point is that populism has a long history. It has not always been to the benefit of the population it speaks to, but it usually addresses the concerns of the populace.

But, there is a line (it's debatable how fine) between populism and demagoguery. A populist speaks to the interests of the people, a demagogue does too. One means it, though, and the other see it as a means. One appeals to our better natures, the other to our bitter.
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#305729 - 02/23/18 08:13 PM Re: What Does a True Populism Look Like? It Looks Like the New Deal [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The problem for democrats is that they no longer represent a populist agenda. They have drifted more to the right and have been punching left for so long that they cannot get out of the way of a true populist when one does come along. Sadly, there has been so little representation of left wing politics or economics that most folks I talk with don't even have a conception of what left wing populism means. It has ben co-opted with identity politics, acceptance as a group into a big tent but doing very little to back popular ideas that would bring real benefits to people. The Michigan governors race is a good example of this co-option of the democratic party by boardroom democrats:
candidate A

Candidate B

An analog of the 2016 general election in some ways. You have to substitute the word muslim for socialist, though.
Now lets watch who the party gets behind. Any betters here at the rant?


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