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#305922 - 03/10/18 02:33 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Melania ought to get a herpes test/exam. Donald has been raw-dogging porn stars and not using condoms, so who knows what "gifts" he's given Melania. Hmm
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#305923 - 03/10/18 04:21 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Collusion, money-laundering, obstruction of justice won't bring down Donald Trump. It will be this Stormy Daniels story.
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#305925 - 03/10/18 05:04 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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call me the weatherman as i am raining on your parade.

sorry but we have clergy who have sold their soul to satan and support Mr Trump .... we have Republicans who have lost what little integrity they might have had and support Mr Trump .... we have an AG who while being trashed by the president would not under any circumstances file charges against Mr Trump ... should I go on?

If after 400 days no one has done anything resembling removal from office, it is not likely anyone would. SP Mueller would have to have rock solid evidence of a crime so heinous I can not imagine it (not even sure being on Putin's payroll is enough)for Republicans to make a move.

I love your enthusiastic resistance against Mr Trump and the overly optimistic hope every new tidbit will remove him from office, but really guys .... realistically ... 2020

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#305928 - 03/10/18 07:48 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Put the Democrats in control of Congress to stop the bleeding, that's all I ask, Mr. Porter 314.
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#305929 - 03/10/18 11:52 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I can't predict the future and in particular about these:
1. Mr Trump is interviewed by Mueller - most assuredly he will lie, but will the lies be meaningful in a legal way?
2. Would a Democrat House have the will to prosecute impeachment proceedings? Consider the damage which has already been done on a host of domestic issues. Would a serious Democrat House wallow in impeachment rather than trying to fix the damage?
3. Would a divided Senate even convict, should charges be filed? The Democrats (assuming all voted for conviction) would still need 17 Republicans to side with them. Would that many Republicans do that? Consider the hypothetical Sen Flake still in the Senate. Would he, even though he challenges Mr Trump routinely, vote for conviction or would he say to his fellow senators, lets move on.
4. Is having an immoral slug for president enough to file charges? I can see the charge sheet now - he had an extramarital affair/s. Is moral reprehensibility enough?
5. Obstruction ... for liberals there is an obvious case, but for the objective observer (and many legal minds), it is not so clear.
6. Mr Trump clearly suffers from NPD. Is that a "misdemeanor" worthy of impeachment? (In the sense a mental defect becomes a Constitutional issue).
7. Financial entanglements - is making money as a result of being president a crime? is it all about the timing?

May I offer an opinion? The Democrats should think long and hard about a single track agenda to impeach if the House is won. The country is far more important than political payback for perceived political affronts.

A far more befitting solution is endure the rest of his term (the worst may be over) and defeat him (if he survives a primary) in the general with a genuine authentic candidate with real policy positions which benefit the whole country.

just spitballing
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#305934 - 03/11/18 01:37 AM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: rporter314]
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I believe in justice, I just don't think justice will be served with regard to Donald Trump. Like Broidy, all the lesser sinners will get convictions and Trump will skate. We will have to wait until 2020 for relief, and who knows how bad it will be by then.
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#305935 - 03/11/18 01:39 AM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It really depends on what happens in 2018: If Republicans lose badly, they may decide Trump is not worth another disaster in 2020. They can probably keep Pence as President until 2020, but they would be in no position to dictate anything in Congress so maybe it's a moot point. With a Democratic Senate majority, no more Supreme Court nominees get confirmed. (What goes around, comes around!) But remaining Republicans in Congress may think they would like to keep their jobs in 2020.

Or maybe not: Republicans are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot.

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#305937 - 03/11/18 03:11 AM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick


Melania ought to get a herpes test/exam. Donald has been raw-dogging porn stars and not using condoms, so who knows what "gifts" he's given Melania. Hmm

Rumors are that one of those 'gifts" was a pregnancy that ended-up being aborted. Stormy needs to tell her story.
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#305938 - 03/11/18 07:11 AM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Melania worked as a fashion model in Paris and Milan, in addition to growing to adulthood in Slovenia. She could have very well been Herpes II positive before she met Donald. With his history, it would be a very safe bet that he was. Herpes I and II positives are VERY common. Most people have adequate immune systems, so they may never even know they have Herpes II. Herpes I is so common you should assume everybody has it, maybe from birth. You would be right more often than wrong.

For example, Greenland has 98% positive for Herpes I and 68% for Herpes II.

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#305940 - 03/11/18 05:14 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Oh no!! You mean I can't sleep with Green women without risk of exposure!
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