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#306038 - 03/17/18 04:10 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump's lawsuit against Daniels is going to open that can of worms. He's now admitted that he was a party to the agreement.

BTW, here's how removal works: it has been removed (transferred) to federal court. That is automatic. Now the federal judge will determine if he/she has jurisdiction. The judge may determine that the federal court doesn't, because the damages need to be shown, or because the arbitration language prevents it (Trump's preferred outcome). The judge could, however, determine that the contract is "void" as against public policy (my preferred outcome), because of the President's position. In any event, Mueller will have full access to all of the documents and witnesses, which puts the goose in mortal danger.
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#306043 - 03/17/18 05:20 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
...Mueller will have full access to all of the documents and witnesses, which puts the goose in mortal danger.

That's what happens when you go to the Roy Cohn school of shysterism. You think you're so clever, but you don't see the long-term effects. Hmm
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#306045 - 03/17/18 08:02 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The lack of long-range thinking is repeated over and over by such people. Just like Republicans who violate the Senate's super-majority rule for confirming Supreme Court justices. Or a House Oversight Committee that investigates everything the Executive branch does for years under Issa. They never stop a minute to think what it will be like to be on the other end of that!

Trump's lawyer now calls for Mueller being fired because Trump fired McCabe? Makes perfect sense in Lalaland.

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#306085 - 03/22/18 12:52 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Here's an interesting podcast by a legal eagle: Stormy Daniels is a legal genius.
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#306090 - 03/22/18 09:01 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Wow. Donald Trump has to either admit he paid a bribe to conceal a crime, or he has to say he's not a party to that agreement and cannot collect any damages when Stormy releases all the photos and text messages. His lawyer, on the other hand, is certainly going to be disbarred and likely go to prison.

And to even say publicly that you did not have an sex with that women (like Bill Clinton) is obstruction of justice if the purpose is to conceal a crime like making a secret agreement to conceal adultery. Unlike Bill Clinton who did not try to pay off Monica to conceal the affair. (The crime is making the agreement, not the sex.)

It's a trap, alright. I think Trump's only choice is to chew his leg off at this point.

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#306100 - 03/23/18 04:10 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Karen McDougal to Melania: I'm sorry for sleeping with Donald Trump - USA TODAY. All I can say, is, "Ick."

But on a more serious note, the dam is beginning to break. How will evangelicals spin this? "That was years ago." "love the sinner, not the sin", "nobody's perfect", "it's not something all of us haven't done." (That last was just the preachers). Holy hypocrisy! Evangelical leaders say Trump's Stormy affair is OK | Editorial - nj.com.
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L'Affaire Stormy would be a five-alarm inferno for any other president, but in the Trump White House it is routine sleaze, leaving the porn factor aside. And it would have been forgotten were it not for a Wall Street Journal report that revealed a $130,000 payoff by Trump's attorney to Daniels in October 2016, which may have violated election law.

But it didn't register on the moral barometers of evangelical leaders.

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#306103 - 03/23/18 10:53 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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As usual, the cover up is far more serious than the crime. Adultery is the original crime, though nobody would bother to prosecute it. Paying off Stormy was a more serious crime because you are trying to conceal the crime of adultery (a crime to this day in New York). Lying to say that he had nothing to do with Stormy (just recently) is then Obstruction of Justice because Mueller is investigating, and contrary to some Republican's opinions that obstruction does not have to be under oath. That would be the crime of Perjury, a separate issue.

Bill Clinton had a sexual affair with Monica, but he never tried to conceal it with a payoff. That's a rich guy tactic, which a lawyer would know can get you in more trouble than the original misdeed.

The first rule of holes is: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Trump does nothing but dig and dig and dig.

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#306105 - 03/23/18 11:29 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Thing is, according to the spin, W.J. Clinton doinked his paramour within the confines of the White House. While he was still POTUS. Big F sin!

Meanwhile, D.J.T. doinked all of them outside of the sacred walls of the W.H. and way before he was appointed emperor of the US.

According to “them”---a big and important difference.

Just ask Pat Robertson....
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#306106 - 03/24/18 01:16 AM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That has no meaning in court. In court they look at his 2018 statement that he had nothing to do with Stormy ever, then at the fact that Mueller was investigating that payoff at the time, and voila: Another Obstruction of Justice charge. The sex is not the important part of either. It's what you did to cover it up.

Pat never did get on the Supreme Court.

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#306150 - 03/27/18 04:27 PM Re: Stormy Daniels Suit: It's a Trap!! [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Is Stormy Daniels' suit a booby trap?


Edited by Spag-hetti (03/27/18 04:33 PM)
Edit Reason: Needed to apostrophize
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