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#305926 - 03/10/18 05:36 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I am convinced, no matter how this proceeds, that the end of this probe will result in a constitutional crisis. There are many ways that could transpire, all of them bad. Trump could invoke "executive privilege", which will require court intervention. Trump could fire Rosenstein/Mueller. Mueller could find grounds for impeachment and/or criminal charges. Congress could simply refuse to act on any results. Trump could pardon Mueller indictees.

So far we have learned that Trump's circle of advisors is peopled we'reith all kinds of miscreants. He shares many of them with RNC leadership (see, e.g. Elliott Broidy, Roger Stone, and Felix Sater. His cabinet is/ was full of dubious characters like Tom price and Ben Carson. Where else can this lead?
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#305927 - 03/10/18 07:46 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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The overwhelming majority of Trump supporters, AND Republicans in general, are convinced, not by facts, mind you, but are convinced, that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were both allowed to get away with much much worse, by a communist socialist fascist (they're all the same in R-minds) Leftist Marxist Kenyan cabal of America haters.

So, if nothing else, they believe to their very soul that they are evening the score. How do ya like them apples, you leftie Marxist Kenyan godless America haters?
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#305951 - 03/13/18 02:42 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Welp, Devin said "no collusion" and the bloated fat orange ahole Tweeted: NO COLLUSION!!

Hmm
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#305952 - 03/13/18 02:44 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
...(they're all the same in R-minds) Leftist Marxist Kenyan cabal of America haters...
I am convinced that right-wingers lack an ability to distinguish nuance. Hmm
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#305953 - 03/13/18 03:41 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Russublicans? Republissians? It is just amazing to me that the publicly "anti-communist" party is so eager to collaborate with Putin's Russian autocracy. It's the same people, you idiots! Treasonous is an appropriate description of their behavior.

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#305954 - 03/13/18 05:23 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Oh, but Russians are not Communists any longer: They are a dictatorship ruled by a strongman. Back then when they were Communists. Putin was a good Communist head of the KGB, the USSR's equivalent of the CIA. Now he's COMPLETELY different. He's just like Trump, a unitary President (for life) strongman.

Since his complete change of heart, it's okay for Republicans to like him. He wouldn't do any of those things he used to do like poisoning enemies, invading neighbors, confiscating businesses, having people accidentally killed during interrogation, etc.

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#305968 - 03/13/18 08:48 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Nikolai Glushkov, Russian Exile Linked To A Putin Critic, Dies In London - npr. Look at that picture.. does that look like he died of natural causes?
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#305969 - 03/13/18 10:24 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I've seen two interviews of House Intelligence Committee Republicans, today. I'm infuriated by their dissembling. I'm incensed by their failure to do their duty. This was a joke of an investigation, clearly inadequate, and they've broken the committee. The American people deserve better.

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#305985 - 03/14/18 04:04 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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House Intelligence Democrats Release Response To GOP Russia Conclusions - npr. The article includes the entire "interim report".

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#306055 - 03/18/18 05:34 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The Russian connection to the trump campaign, and the Mercer family, is getting deeper and scarier. It appears that Cambridge Analytica's theft of Facebook data was facilitated by a Russian professor. Most of the Cambridge analysts are not affiliated with the United States, so could not work on us elections (but did), and that its CEO lied through his teeth TO Britain's Parliment. Most of this information was gleaned from NYT and other articles behind pay walls, so I've left off links, except this one: How Trump Consultants Exploited the Facebook Data of Millions.

This is seriously shady.
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