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#306010 - 03/16/18 12:20 AM The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr
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A question for our legal beagle: could the Trump Jr. divorce be a desperate ploy to protect DJT Jrs assets from the imminent Mueller Mauling (if the former Mrs takes the majority?)
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#306020 - 03/16/18 06:04 AM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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I doubt Mueller would seek large fines. The only consequence for Trump Jr. is that felons are prohibited from serving as corporation officers. But nothing prevents them from running any number of sole proprietorships and partnerships without incorporation.

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#306021 - 03/16/18 09:49 AM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Iím thinking laundered money.
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#306024 - 03/16/18 04:01 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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Lots of potential wrinkles to this one. If Mueller's team can trace the money to illegal sources, it can be forfeited. If it is forfeited, it's not an asset that can be divided - since it belongs to the State. Vanessa could claim she's an innocent and try to keep some of the money, or, if the settlement agreement is written properly, he would "hold her harmless" and she could get equivalent assets from the rest of Don Jr.'s estate.

To illustrate: assume that since they've been married more than 10 years, she gets half of the "marital estate". For simplicity's sake, it's 100 dollars. If the government proves that 60 dollars is illegal, they'd each only get 20. If Vanessa can prove she's innocent, she could go after Donald for the other 20 and an iou (judgment) for the rest. If Don Jr. later gets an inheritance, for example, she could go after that.

If the government agrees she's an innocent, she keeps her 50 bucks, and they go after Don Jr. for the whole of the ill-gotten gains. They could also get a judgment that they could enforce later.

Note that these are all "civil", not criminal, matters, which means the burdens of proof are lower, and are technically not affected by an acquittal - no double jeopardy - although there are internal DoJ rules that generally prohibit forfeitures after an acquittal. If the forfeiture occurred before the criminal case, no problem.
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#306027 - 03/16/18 08:53 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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Unaffected by a pardon, too.

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#306037 - 03/17/18 04:02 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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Vanessa has hired a criminal lawyer for an "amicable" divorce - because that's what people divorcing do. smile (No it's not. laugh ) .

Vanessa can see the writing on the wall. Hmm
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#306050 - 03/17/18 11:45 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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"amicable" divorce: People claim that, but my first wife and I actually did it. Cost us $0. I filled in the form stating there were no children and no property disputes. The judge look at me with suspicion and asked: "Where is your wife?", like I buried her body in the back yard. I said: "Right over there." and pointed to her. She smiled and waved. Divorce granted, all in 2 minutes.

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#306053 - 03/18/18 06:18 AM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
"amicable" divorce: People claim that, but my first wife and I actually did it. Cost us $0. I filled in the form stating there were no children and no property disputes. The judge look at me with suspicion and asked: "Where is your wife?", like I buried her body in the back yard. I said: "Right over there." and pointed to her. She smiled and waved. Divorce granted, all in 2 minutes.

Getting a divorce in Mexico is the way to go, I hear. smile
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#306062 - 03/19/18 06:45 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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It is also easier to be amicable if most of the decisions are controlled by a prenup.
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#306063 - 03/20/18 01:33 AM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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No prenup: We were 18 and 20 when we married and essentially broke. Just total agreement on disposition when we parted.

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#306065 - 03/20/18 11:34 AM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I suspect, pondering, that you had fewer assets to divide than Don and Vanessa.
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#306066 - 03/20/18 05:51 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: logtroll]
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We actually owned a house and two cars. No kids or pets, so it was easy. Just put her through a trade school course so she could make a living, so no alimony.

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#306068 - 03/20/18 09:21 PM Re: The former Mr. & Mrs. Trump Jr [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
...No...pets...

Lucky!!! Custody battles over pets are horrible!!! mad , Hmm
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