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#306070 - 03/20/18 11:23 PM The Dark Arts of Democracy
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Cambridge Analytica

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#306112 - 03/24/18 05:48 PM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: logtroll]
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One of the things that have been missing in all of this, is that cambridge analytica, and others lusting for the data, are not interested in individuals so much as groups. Basically, these operations are unlikely to steal your identity or credit card. They are using the data for something entirely different - controlling groups of people based on their behavior as per the data available to them (gotten legally or not). Apparently they are very good at what they are doing and are collecting the big bucks because they are effective. In the last couple of years, during the Obama administration, gov built a data farm that has the huge capacity and speed. It was, in theory, online in 2013. https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/07/01...ears-completion

This thing has more capacity and speed than virtually any data farm in the entire world and nobody actually knows, exactly, what its there for and what its currently doing. Gov also doesn't need to steal any data as they can get whatever they want anytime they want (I believe).

What Cambridge Analytica is doing is reprehensible. However, that being said, OUR government has built a facility to do, arguably, exactly what Cambridge Analytica does but better and faster. The storage of the facility, alone, is enough to take one's breath away.

Just saying........................


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#306126 - 03/26/18 03:58 AM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: logtroll]
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The Dark Art discussed here is not democratic, it is anti-democratic. Yes, it is intended to influence voters, much in the way the Goebbels sought to influence them. It is a method of eroding trust in the democratic process.
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#306128 - 03/26/18 05:07 AM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Cambridge Analytica shows what’s wrong with data-driven marketing - Globe and Mail.
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The Cambridge Analytica model was deceptive from start to finish. It began with positioning its third-party Facebook app as academic rather than commercial. Then it disguised the breadth of its data grab. Most crucially, that data was harnessed for use in manipulative marketing practices, such as profiling voters to present just the messages that would get them to the polls. At every step of the way, Cambridge Analytica treated customer data as a corporate asset to be deployed like a targeted weapon.
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#306146 - 03/27/18 12:22 PM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The Dark Art discussed here is not democratic, it is anti-democratic.
The title was irony, as the Regressives are not interested in democracy, only in winning.

Data mining is only half of the issue. The more egregious part is how it was used to propagandize and defraud target populations by extremely unethical (and perhaps illegal) trickery. Just like gerrymandering, it seeks to rig elections in ways diametrically opposed to the foundational principle of fair and representative process.
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#306149 - 03/27/18 04:18 PM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: logtroll]
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Cambridge Analytica's efforts were just as destructive as Russia's, and may have been coordinated to be so. SCL (CA's sister company) was feeding data to the Russians at the same time it was helping Republicans. Cambridge Analytica: links to Moscow oil firm and St Petersburg university - the Guardian.

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#306151 - 03/27/18 04:28 PM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Kushner lawyer: WH counsel has concluded no issues involving Jared amid loan probe - CBS. We are in the area of the carefully worded deception. Lowell said the "White House Counsel" had determined there was no conflict, but the investigation is being conducted by the Office of Government Ethics which is a separate, independent, government agency (for a reason). That's like saying "my Dad says I'm innocent, Mr. Judge, so I can't be convicted." In fact, it's A LOT like saying that...

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#306159 - 03/27/18 09:59 PM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Too shay!
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#306164 - 03/28/18 06:58 PM Re: The Dark Arts of Democracy [Re: logtroll]
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As far as I can tell Facebook is dependent on their member's data for their business model to succeed. Once that is gone so is Facebook. This would, I suspect, pretty much explain Zuckerberg's selling off stocks worth billions?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/zuckerbergs-facebook-stock-selling-dwarfs-all-other-insiders.html

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