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#306170 - 03/29/18 12:55 AM Do they realize what they're doing?
NW Ponderer Offline
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I believe, perhaps naively, that most politicians, even Republicans, generally believe in the rule of law, the Democratic process, and what is best for the country. I do not believe, however, that that sentiment prevails among Republican leadership, and certainly not in the administration.

There are a number of trends that have disabused me of that quaint notion, and that have certainly come to the fore since Trump came on the scene. After the 2010 census the efforts of gerrymandering permanent control contrary to the wishes of voters was extreme. Over the last decade the voter ID laws were designed to suppress minority votes. McConnell's extreme efforts to thwart every Obama initiative despite popularity and the demonstrated issues and then the packing of the judicial branch with unqualified ideologues, culminating with the refusal to seat Merrick Garland. Now we have the spectical of the Trump administration, and their anti-democratic across are, literally, too many to catalogue.

I have a hard time believing that they don't know just how corrosive these processes have been to those very values- democracy, the rule of law, and preservation of the nation.
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#306171 - 03/29/18 01:36 AM Re: Do they realize what they're doing? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Nope, no belief in rule of law.
That ship sailed a while ago.
I tried to believe, I wanted to believe, I fought with myself and with others in my effort to STILL believe.

At this point I am counting down the days to our manufactured attack and plans for war, and the Enabling Act which shall crown Donald Trump as fuehrer, or as they say over here, "Unitary Executive".
Strict measures shall be imposed due to "national emergency" and we will be informed that there will be crackdowns on anyone who takes positions in opposition to such measures.

"The power of the President shall not be questioned."

We heard that shortly after he took office.
Did you doubt it for even a moment?

The right wing trifecta is prepared to be the rubber stamp that they were destined to be, and on the occasions where they are something more, it will simply be a reverse process described years ago by Grover Norquist, when he said that "all we need is a man who can hold a pen".

In the end, it doesn't matter if Congress rubber stamps decrees from Herr Trump or if Trump signs pre-baked bills from the Hill, one hand washes the other, and all fingers are in all pies, with one finger firmly implanted somewhere else.
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#306172 - 03/29/18 01:37 AM Re: Do they realize what they're doing? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Where is your finger?
I know where mine is. wink

(There's a famous Johnny Cash poster which I probably shouldn't link to but if you know of it, just mentioning it should be enough laugh )
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#306176 - 03/29/18 02:08 PM Re: Do they realize what they're doing? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It is not that they do not know, it is that they do not care.
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#306177 - 03/29/18 03:07 PM Re: Do they realize what they're doing? [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Originally Posted By: Ujest Shurly
It is not that they do not know, it is that they do not care.
Sadly, this is the conclusion that I have reached myself. Some of it is deliberate blindness, I think. There is a desire - expressed openly since at least Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove's ascendancy - for power over principle or duty to country. It's unseemly, but undeniable. McConnell's unprincipled actions and Trump's election are just the greatest manifestations of the disease.

I love my country. I love the principles upon which it is founded. I love democracy as a form of government - the greatest expression of rule "by the people" known in the world, however it is engineered. I think the Constitution, while flawed, is the best "proof of concept" for balancing individual freedom and group accountability. I hate to see all of that threatened.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

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#306187 - 03/30/18 06:15 PM Re: Do they realize what they're doing? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I suspect that what its all about is WINNING! The job is simply ignored in favor of WINNING! I also think that both parties are involved with WINNING! The difference, as far as I can tell is that the Dems seem to be marginally more honest than the Republicans who have abandoned all pretenses of just doing their jobs so they can WIN!

I wonder if this has something to do with winning the war in Afghanistan for 18 years with nothing to show for it except the loss of lives and treasure and it continues unabated. This too, I think, is all about WINNING! The real problem is that winning is not really defined so winning is actually about beating down the other side and little else. Same with politics?

So, these days, winning is the goal. Its not defined, nobody knows what it means, and everybody knows its the only thing that's important.

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#306193 - 03/30/18 07:31 PM Re: Do they realize what they're doing? [Re: NW Ponderer]
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