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#306298 - 04/09/18 08:13 PM F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen
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#306299 - 04/09/18 08:17 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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I like President's whose lawyer's office wasn't raided by the FBI. coffee
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#306301 - 04/09/18 08:52 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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#306303 - 04/09/18 10:07 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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BOOM!
This is truly a bombshell. This wasn't a subpoena, this was a warrant. It was unannounced. It wasn't by Mueller. This is THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION attorney.

Since it's a warrant they had to prove probable cause that a crime had occurred. They had to suspect that he wouldn't cooperate. This is what happened to Manafort.

AND this is an attorney's office. That requires all kinds of extra safeguards. I can explain if anyone wants to know. I want to know what crimes they suspect.
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#306304 - 04/09/18 11:23 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: NW Ponderer]
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FBI raids Donald Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen's office, leading Trump to attack Robert Mueller USA Today.
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Trump angrily seized on the development Monday, calling the action "a disgraceful situation."

"It's total witch hunt," the president said at the White House. "It's an attack on our country in the true sense ... what we all stand for."


According to WaPo, BANK FRAUD. Which means Trump may be next.

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#306305 - 04/09/18 11:30 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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How long before SP Mueller is taking a vacation?
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#306306 - 04/09/18 11:36 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: NW Ponderer]
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BOOM!

What's the bag limit for a witch hunt?
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#306307 - 04/10/18 12:00 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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Mueller is down the line. Expect missles into Syria first. The funny thing is, it's his own appointees: Rosenstein, and US Attorney for Southern District of New York, Geoffrey S. Berman, that he picked. And, whichever Republican judge signed off on the warrant.

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#306308 - 04/10/18 12:13 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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The thing is, as soon as your lawyer tries to cover up your crime, he's no longer your lawyer and lawyer-client confidentiality goes away. In fact, he's a co-conspirator.

And there WAS a crime: In New York, adultery is still on the books as a crime. Nobody would be prosecuted for it, but it still makes Cohen a criminal rather than a lawyer.

If the FBI finds any sort of document in Cohen's possession that indicates Trump knew about the payoff, then Trump is up for Obstruction of Justice charges. Likewise, if they find any evidence that Trump did have sex with Stormy, Trump is also up for Obstruction of Justice charges for lying and saying he didn't.

The affair was slightly illegal, but the payoff was certainly because it was an attempt to conceal the original crime. Lying about either one was yet another crime, because Mueller was investigating it.

Trump supporters admit Trump lies all the time, but dismiss it as one of his charming personality traits. But lying publicly about something the FBI is investigating is a crime, even if you are not under oath.

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#306309 - 04/10/18 12:35 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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I just saw Trump's extended diatribe. He's in an outright panic. Cohen is facing bank fraud charges, and this had been building for weeks. Tax records, phone and other communications were seized. It will be sequestered as it is searched and analyzed to screen out attorney-client communications. BUT, to the extent it was a conspiracy, those communications are not privileged.

I believe Mueller now has Trump tax records, too. No wonder he is panicked.
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