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#306313 - 04/10/18 04:31 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Has anyone made note of how disheveled Trump has appeared lately? I think he's losing it.

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#306315 - 04/10/18 11:05 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
Has anyone made note of how disheveled Trump has appeared lately? I think he's losing it.

Indeed. Donnie Dumbass is not handling this very well - claiming the country is under attack. crazy

All Republicans who orchestrated this warrant too, two of whom Trump put into place, as you pointed out on page. smile

When Trump was asked by reporters about the $130K that Cohen paid Stormy with on AF1 last week, Trump said: You'll have to ask Michael Cohen.

Mueller said: I'll do that.

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#306319 - 04/10/18 03:19 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
BOOM!

What's the bag limit for a witch hunt?


A Coven, 13. How many does the Witch Hunter now have? Six: George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Richard Pinedo, Alex van der Zwaan, plus nuerious familiars. Only 7 more to go
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#306321 - 04/10/18 05:44 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Mueller will be fired any day now. Word from the top will be...he was hired to investigate the possibility of collusion with Russia, he found none. All else is a witch hunt and Trump will pardon anyone convicted.

Then we can think about how THAT scandal will bring Trump down.

Then there will be another one, and another one.
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#306322 - 04/10/18 06:37 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Greger]
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Mueller will be fired any day now.

I read something this morning that I understood to be this: Trump can't fire Mueller directly - he has to fire Rosenstein and replace him with a stooge who will fire Mueller. But now that Rosenstein authorized the warrant to raid Cohen's office over a Trump related crime, Trump can't fire Rosenstein.

Maybe our resident shyster could offer a guess supported by education?
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#306323 - 04/10/18 06:41 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Originally Posted By: Greger
Mueller will be fired any day now.

I read something this morning that I understood to be this: Trump can't fire Mueller directly - he has to fire Rosenstein and replace him with a stooge who will fire Mueller. But now that Rosenstein authorized the warrant to raid Cohen's office over a Trump related crime, Trump can't fire Rosenstein.

Maybe our resident shyster could offer a guess supported by education?


Oh he still CAN fire Rosenstein, but if he did so AT THIS JUNCTURE
(see: authorized warrant to raid Cohen) it would be the equivalent of this:
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#306324 - 04/10/18 07:17 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Mueller will be fired any day now.

I read something this morning that I understood to be this: Trump can't fire Mueller directly - he has to fire Rosenstein and replace him with a stooge who will fire Mueller. But now that Rosenstein authorized the warrant to raid Cohen's office over a Trump related crime, Trump can't fire Rosenstein.

Maybe our resident shyster could offer a guess supported by education?
I am not a shyster (I'm scrupulous), but I know how they operate....

You are correct, that Trump cannot fire Mueller directly. "the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 (Title 5 U.S. Code §§ 101-505) created a statutory basis for the appointment of special prosecutors, and specifically restricted the authority of the president or attorney general, for example, to fire the independent counsel once appointed." (Wikipedia) The current regulations (internal to the Department of Justice) are contained in the Code of Federal Regulations, 28 CFR Part 600.

The answer to your specific question is § 600.7 Conduct and accountability, subsection(d), which provides:
Quote:
The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General. The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies. The Attorney General shall inform the Special Counsel in writing of the specific reason for his or her removal.


Of particular importance to the current topic is § 600.4:
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§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.

(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.


That is precisely what happened: Mueller came across a criminal activity that wasn't covered in his mandate, went to the Deputy A.G. (Rosenstein) who "assign[ed] them elsewhere" - the Southern District of New York.


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#306330 - 04/10/18 09:17 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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Someone I know had this to say about the secondary information found in the raid and I'd like to know if they're full of it:

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"There are two sets of FBI agents that look at the info they get from his office. The first set only looks to make sure whatever is passed on to the second is info within the Scope of the Warrant. The second set then looks at just the info that is within the scope of the warrant as passed to them from the first group. Any information not within the scope of the warrant could never be used in court as it would as they say on TV be the fruit of the forbidden tree."
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#306333 - 04/10/18 09:37 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Trump cannot fire Mueller directly.


The White House says...(via Huffpo)

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President Donald Trump “certainly believes he has the power” to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, a spokeswoman for the White House said Tuesday.

“We’ve been advised that the president certainly has the power to make that decision,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters during a press briefing.

Mueller is head of a federal probe into Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. Many legal experts have said Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein is the only person who can directly fire Mueller. But Sanders said the White House had been advised otherwise.

“I know a number of individuals in the legal community, and including at the Department of Justice, said he has the power to do so,” Sanders told reporters.
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#306335 - 04/10/18 10:11 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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Step 1 would be to follow the money, and if he follows the money and finds money laundering and tax evasion in the $millions like he did with Manafort and Gates, what is he supposed to do?

I say Mueller is "doing exactly what he is supposed to do".
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