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#306336 - 04/10/18 10:18 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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Step 2:
See Page 17!!
Rosenstein specifically OKs the investigation into what became money laundering and tax evasion charges.

Mueller - RESPONSE TO MOTION (PDF)
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#306337 - 04/10/18 10:35 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Greger]
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All else is a witch hunt and Trump will pardon anyone convicted.


Can he also pardon himself? Seriously folks! I am not totally sold on the idea of Trumps campaign colluding with Russia over the election. But then again I have not yet seen any of Muellerís findings. Nor has anyone outside of Muellerís team. Mueller runs a very tight leak free ship by golly.

However, what I am absolutely convinced of is that the Trump Organization has totally been in bed with Russian Oligarchs. They have lent him billions over the years to float his ships as no Western Banks will touch him due to his endless string of bankruptcies that left them holding their empty bags. Which also begs the question how much does Trump really owe to Ruskies? And what leverage do they then hold over him?

And also- he is no where near as rich as he claims to be by being so leveraged to the hilt. Those are the two main reasons he never will disclose his tax returns.

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#306338 - 04/10/18 10:44 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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The expression is: "Fruit of the poisonous tree." And yes, that's exactly why Mueller handed the service of the warrant off to a different office. Those guys look at everything, then only pass the pertinent documents on to Mueller's team. Anything not in the scope of the warrant is returned to Cohen, even if it is strong evidence of a different crime. That way, the "out of scope" info does not poison the pertinent evidence.

But I think Rosenstein gave Mueller a pretty broad scope. If there is evidence of money laundering. tax fraud, or bank fraud it is pertinent. And I would assume Trump is just the kind of guy to be guilty of all three, multiple times. It fits his "business plan".

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#306340 - 04/10/18 11:44 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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So the scuttlebutt on the street is that Trump will try to axe Sessions during the Friday Chaos Dump and then move to bring in a stooge who will fire Rosenstein and then make a move to axe Mueller.
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#306341 - 04/10/18 11:52 PM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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I reread what I posted earlier and detected an error, or at least an ambiguity. The 1978 special prosecutor law was superceded by the independent counsel law (remember Ken Starr?). When THAT law lapsed, it was not replaced. So... the current "special prosecutor" process is only a rule (as I outlined earlier). The ambiguity that remains is whether the President can go outside of the rule to fire Mueller. An argument CAN be made that he is not bound by the rule. Were he to do that, however, Congress can pass a new law.

Here's where we get into really tricky constitutional questions: can Congress limit the President's authority to fire ANYONE in the executive branch? What might such limitations be?
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#306344 - 04/11/18 12:50 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Mueller will be fired any day now. Word from the top will be...he was hired to investigate the possibility of collusion with Russia, he found none. All else is a witch hunt and Trump will pardon anyone convicted.

Then we can think about how THAT scandal will bring Trump down.

Then there will be another one, and another one.

Mueller was very careful to distance himself from the Cohen search warrant. This is an entirely different investigation. It's also a NY State investigation and you know what the means: Dumbass can't pardon Cohen. laugh
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#306345 - 04/11/18 12:54 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Ken Condon]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Condon
I am not totally sold on the idea of Trumps campaign colluding with Russia over the election.


Then you haven't been paying attention. Hmm

It's not as if it's a series of hilarious Russian coincidences, that Idiot actually pulled out a win! coffee

EVERY, SINGLE, MAJOR PLAYER had some form of contact with the Russians. EVERY ONE!! Hmm

(except Dumbass. smile )
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#306346 - 04/11/18 12:57 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
So the scuttlebutt on the street is that Trump will try to axe Sessions during the Friday Chaos Dump and then move to bring in a stooge who will fire Rosenstein and then make a move to axe Mueller.

Rumorhazzit that Pruitt will replace the KKKeebler Elf. Those are some mighty small shoes to fill. LOL
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#306347 - 04/11/18 01:16 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: pdx rick]
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Originally Posted By: pdx rick
Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
So the scuttlebutt on the street is that Trump will try to axe Sessions during the Friday Chaos Dump and then move to bring in a stooge who will fire Rosenstein and then make a move to axe Mueller.

Rumorhazzit that Pruitt will replace the KKKeebler Elf. Those are some mighty small shoes to fill. LOL


Or not.
Pruitt's in trouble.

It has to be someone who can't upstage Trump.
Someone that the alt-Right AND the evil-gelicals truly love.
Someone who is very religious.

Hmmmm, is there "one true patriot" out there?



LOL ROTFMOL ROTFMOL LOL
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#306351 - 04/11/18 05:19 AM Re: F.B.I. Raids Office of Trumpís Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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I can easily see Trump moving Pruitt over to fire Mueller. It would take an incredibly corrupt individual to undertake the task of firing Mueller to cover up Trump's malfeasance, but if there is one thing we know about Scott Pruitt is that he is an incredibly corrupt individual. Moreover, he has already been confirmed to an agency post by the Senate, and we know that Trump likes to move the pieces around because he doesn't know if he'll get another nominee confirmed.

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