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#305846 - 03/04/18 10:41 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: jgw]
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Hell, sociopaths are so revered in our society, we make them President.

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#305860 - 03/06/18 02:03 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I highly recommend reading this article: What Critics Don't Understand About Gun Culture - the Atlantic. It is illuminating in so many ways, many unintended by its author.

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#305861 - 03/06/18 03:09 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Fear, paranoia, a need to feel powerful in spite of a pervasive sense of vulnerability... all good reasons to have weapons.

Probably 30 years ago I was with my second ex-wife visiting her uncle near Boring, Oregon. We found the mobile home where he and his wife lived, in a pastoral setting on about an acre of former farmland. She hadn't seen him in years, so it was a bit uncomfortable at first introduction. He was a somewhat disheveled and red-faced fellow in his sixties and seemed very cold and distrustful. Our visit was bereft of all but a bit of hospitality, and the main subject of conversation was about his guns - six pistols stashed at strategic locations all about the trailer, one in a side pocket of his LazyBoy recliner, that he pulled out for us to admire, fully loaded, cartridge in the chamber, safety off.

I felt so incredibly safe and secure around this man that I was reluctant to leave.
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#305863 - 03/06/18 05:40 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: jgw]
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He was (IMHO) clearly a danger to himself and others ... not an imminent danger but a danger nonetheless

so why does the NRA want people like him to have guns?
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#305864 - 03/06/18 06:17 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: logtroll]
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uncle near Boring, Oregon.

Well, certainly Oregon was not very Boring that day. Bet you couldn’t wait to say “Aloha” Oregon.
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#305865 - 03/06/18 06:28 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: Ken Condon]
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That would be Aloha in the goodbye (and good riddance) sense.
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#305866 - 03/06/18 06:29 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: rporter314]
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Originally Posted By: rporter314
so why does the NRA want people like him to have guns?

Oh, I don't think the NRA gives a rip if he has guns, they just want him to buy guns.
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#305867 - 03/06/18 07:38 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: jgw]
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I would remind you all that its VERY unlikely that congress will do anything about this stuff until they get replaced. They are led by Mconnell and Ryan who are, obviously, bought and paid for, put party above nation, and will not allow any gun changes to even get voted on (along with any number of other issues that the majority of Americans want). Same with daca who the populists hate. This just goes on and on. The fault is (I am repeating myself) is how WE vote, or don't vote. The voters of America have spoken! The result is a congress of genuine yahoos of the very worst kind, trillion dollar tax cuts for the very rich, 18 year old wars, a failing infrastructure, an utterly failed war on drugs, and all the rest of it. Wish I was wrong on this one.

Perhaps those high school kids will keep at it and others will join up.

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#305884 - 03/08/18 04:43 AM Re: Gun Control [Re: jgw]
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Florida has failed to enact any gun control measure instead opting to arm teachers.

So my prediction of no substantive laws regarding gun etc etc is coming a reality ... who would have guessed
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#305892 - 03/08/18 08:49 PM Re: Gun Control [Re: jgw]
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My previous post was influenced by poor reporting. I see now Florida actually enacted some nascent substantive gun control facets to address the problem. While the more difficult issues involving assault styled weapons was not discussed, they did break ranks with the NRA on age limits (common sense should have dictated these), after-market modifications for semi to auto (bump-stocks), and new longer waiting period.

As for armed teachers, it was reported in error. No teacher will be armed, however non-teaching personal would have the option of training and being armed.

What I find hard to understand is the vote was close. These are common sense proposals, while not trying to confront the partisan issue on assault weapons directly. Universal backgrounds ... not there but some strengthening on the back end of the mental health aspect.

The Republican controlled Congress is apparently AWOL.
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