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#306365 - 04/12/18 05:01 PM The Pattern
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The latest: $30,000 rumor? Tabloid paid for, spiked, salacious Trump tip. Now, I have my doubts about the veracity of the underlying tip, but it establishes a pattern that occurred throughout the campaign. So, we have $30,000 to this fella, $150,000 to Karen McDougal - both from Pecker - then $130,000 from Cohen (presumably because Pecker couldn't buy an "exclusive").

Prosecutors love patterns. This demonstrates a "course of conduct" - and a conspiracy. When you have a conspiracy, you don't have to prove each person was involved in each element, just that you fit into the pattern somewhere, and were aware of the outline, or your participation. That means, if Trump was AWARE that Pecker and/or Cohen had done this, he's part of the conspiracy. Cohen is tied up in at least two of these payoffs, and he was Trump's personal attorney, so what are the chances he didn't tell his client the good news? Trump is correct that "Attorney-Client privilege is dead" - in this case.

Then we have the subsequent pattern of interference with the investigation. This can get very wide, indeed. Each person with knowledge of any element of that, while maybe not a participant, weaves the web. Pressure on Comey, and fired. Pressure on McCabe, and fired. Pressure on Sessions. Pressure on witnesses - and moved or demoted.

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up.

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#306367 - 04/12/18 05:51 PM Re: The Pattern [Re: NW Ponderer]
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How to evaluate the legality of a Trump-related hush payment - WaPo (limited access)
Quote:
All three, though, seem to have a common aim: Burying stories unfavorable to Trump — who counts Pecker as a close friend — as he was campaigning for the presidency. All three payments happened in an 11-month span from November 2015 to October 2016, all months during which Trump was actively contesting for the presidency.
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There are two primary things to consider.
Why was the payment made?
Who is making the payment?

The thing is, if Trump had made the payments himself, he'd probably be okay. But he's a notorious cheapskate, so of course he's going to use other peoples' money. That's why he's in trouble.

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