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#306390 - 04/14/18 04:59 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Michael Cohen lied (don't act surprised! rolleyes) - he did go to Prauge. Hmm

He flew in on a private jet to Germany and took a train to Prague. coffee

NO COLLUSION! NO COLLUSION! Oh wait, it sounds like there might have been a boatload of collusion! And if Donald Trump knew about it? Hes soooooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. smile

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#306396 - 04/14/18 12:47 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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I'm convinced that Rosenstein has engineered the probe so well that it is unstoppable at this point. Moving the Cohen investigation to New York was brilliant. Firing everyone is too late, the oven is already preheated for the goose.

I'm convinced that Trump will start issuing pardons, but the evidence is already in. The ONLY result of that move now would be impeachment - and State Court prosecutions.
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#306403 - 04/14/18 07:03 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I have noted before that there is a very real possibility that Mueller may not find that Trump personally colluded with Russia - Not that he didn't, just that he can't prove it. Mueller is thorough and principled. That others in the campaign did is obvious, and that they (and he) wanted to is thoroughly proved. I found their collective disinterest during the transition informative. They were unsurprised by the intelligence.

What I think will trip them up is the commonality of their venal and criminal behavior. The chutzpah gained from long practices has made them sloppy. Most of them have been easy targets. I think Jared may soon have "His time in the barrel" ad Roger Stone would say. Cohen may be the first of the Trump cabal to face trial, but he won't be the last.

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#306405 - 04/14/18 08:53 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
I have noted before that there is a very real possibility that Mueller may not find that Trump personally colluded with Russia - Not that he didn't, just that he can't prove it.


I never thought that Donald Trump personally colluded, he let everyone else around him do it and report back to him - just like a Mob Boss would. Hmm

(Plus Donald Trump is really too lazy to lift a finger. He "has people" do all of the heavy lifting for him.) smile
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#306406 - 04/14/18 09:31 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Crime bosses never ever make moves that directly implicate them.
They just make their wishes known to people that do.
The thing is, the FBI is well versed in the way that organized crime families conduct operations and the nature of the hierarchy.

So when Comey describes the Trump Organization as being similar to a crime family, you can be pretty sure he's not engaging in hyperbole, he's just pointing to two things which are quite similar.

An organized crime family is more involved in business than politics, and the Trump Organization is more involved in politics, however they are certainly linking their politics to business, their business.

A capo is still a capo however, and Donald J. Trump is the Capo de Tutti Capi...over HERE.

But he answers to the Big Capo in Moscow.
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#306409 - 04/14/18 10:59 PM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Trump announced to the public on TV that the campaign would soon be releasing dirt on Clinton just a couple of days after the infamous meeting was setup. This was an explicit confession of collusion.

He invited the Russians to "find" Clinton's emails in another TV appearance. And then they did and released them via wikileaks. Another explicit confession of collusion.

He told people he fired Comey in order to block Flynn's Russian connection investigation. A perfect text book case of Obstruction of Justice.

We don't need any more smoking guns. We already have a whole bunch of them. The horse is already through the barn door and miles down the road where he was run over by a semi. There is no need for Mueller to find anything but the stuff Trump has already confessed to in public.

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#306413 - 04/15/18 01:47 AM Re: Trump and Russia [Re: pdx rick]
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Spot on, PIA laugh

Bow Bow Bow


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