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#306503 - 04/27/18 02:48 PM North/South Korea
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Serious question: What just happened? Hmm

Did N/S Korea just end their hostilities and agree to unite the Korean Peninsula?

Did Moon steal Fatass' thunder and do this before Trump had a chance?

An inquiring mind wants to know! laugh
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#306508 - 04/27/18 07:02 PM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pdx rick]
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Absolutely.
There is no other explanation. And, there's no other way it would work, either. Donald Trump has sent Kim Jong Un straight into the arms of the South Korean president, with the idea that ANY plan for peace would be better than a plan hatched with the blessing of Trump.
I WILL give Trump CREDIT for the fact that his crazy out-crazied Kim, but it stops right there. This agreement is not under any terms approved of by the Trump administration.
North and South Korea have united under common ground against a common foe...Donald J. Trump and Trump's America.

Watch this space for input from China.
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#306509 - 04/27/18 07:08 PM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pdx rick]
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So is this a West Germany/East Germany redux, but on the Korean peninsula? Hmm
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#306512 - 04/28/18 12:56 AM Re: North/South Korea [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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North and South Korea have united under common ground against a common foe...Donald J. Trump and Trump's America.

That's kind of a spooky thought but probably true.
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#306514 - 04/28/18 01:09 AM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pdx rick]
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I haven't dug into this but I don't think that is what happened.

I think today they agreed to a peace treaty which in no way means anything other than the war is over.

I also suspect Moon and Kim both have interests in unification. Spitballing --> Kim may want some kind of agreement which includes him as leader of some autonomous region but would want monies from the South to assuage the plight of the people in the North. Further Kim (and Xi) want the US to leave the peninsula. There may be some kind of trade off on a nuclearized North if Kim signs NPT (after he already has nukes). It is not clear to me anything the Koreas do has American interests in mind.
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#306515 - 04/28/18 01:25 AM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pdx rick]
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North Korea has made many similar overtures in the past. There are always many side conditions that amount to "South Korea Surrenders". Don't hold your breath waiting for unification. They may sign a Peace Treaty just to formalize the effective peace they have had for 75 years. North Korea has an awful lot of economic catch-up to do before the two are anywhere near parity. Expect another 75 years or so.

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#306516 - 04/28/18 02:24 AM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
... North Korea has an awful lot of economic catch-up to do before the two are anywhere near parity...

Couldn't the same thing be said about EGermany in 1988? Hmm
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#306518 - 04/28/18 03:04 AM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pdx rick]
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you are assuming Kim would tolerate a democratic election, which would abrogate the economic disparity as an issue
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#306519 - 04/28/18 07:18 AM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pdx rick]
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Couldn't the same thing be said about EGermany in 1988?


No. People are starving to death in North Korea, and not just enemies of the state. They have spent all their money on their military in some insane death cult moves. They need to stop that. Nobody is going to invade them, basically because the place is a pathetic Third World pesthole.

They need to run their country like 1950s Japan for a while. Build up agriculture, then industry, information age, just go through the steps the rest of the world has since 1953. If they would do that for about 20 years, they might be ready for unification. Without that it would be too much of a shock to both North and South Koreans.

But THEN a unified Korea would be a powerhouse. Imagine South Korea's industrial capacity combined with full nuclear arms club membership. They might actually eclipse Russia eventually, and would certainly be on par with France or the UK.

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#306533 - 04/30/18 05:07 PM Re: North/South Korea [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Kim Jong Un needs to ease the economic sanctions. Unification is out of the question but a formal peace treaty is likely somewhere in the near future. Even Kim must realize that his people are starving.
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