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#306699 - 05/10/18 10:16 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Yea, there is that one also. No savor, but some sure want to erase him from the histories. I do not know which is worse what was done to the first one or what is being done to the last one.
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#306701 - 05/11/18 02:20 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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Nice exchange, NWP and Shurly.
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#306705 - 05/11/18 11:51 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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It would be an odd silver lining to a Trump 2 terms if he spares social security as he promised on the campaign trail. A polar opposite of the now abandoned new Dealist party saving it's crown jewel legacy.
The first bullet ducked by a sex scandal. The second by a banking and financial scandal.
What will save it from the Wall Street wild boys now? They have both parties in their pockets. Trumps campaign promise?.....
Irony...


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#306711 - 05/11/18 06:28 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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We have had populists before and we will again. I think its all based on the dissatisfied who are not responsible for anything and big at blaming. I have often wondered how many actually vote normally. As far as the Jackass is concerned. I think that his Republican financial downturn will happen before 2020 as he seems to be working on that one. If that doesn't, and his current stats continue then he will be VERY hard to beat (unless the Dems figure it out and actually start to fight back, "them or us" isn't all bad! (just being against the Jackass isn't enough, they gotta deal with the whole bunch of 'em)

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#306712 - 05/11/18 07:05 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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" I think its all based on the dissatisfied who are not responsible for anything and big at blaming"

That's why democrats will continue to get beat. AT least conservatives will identify whats wrong, staying clear of their hand in it. The current white collar democrats won't admit there's problems insisting 'America's already great!'

I think we are seeing something similar to the black voters shifting away from republicans at this moment. Having given up on their early civil rights activity, they contented themselves with business and it's expansion.

Today the roles have been reversed and a lot of working class democrats are feeling like the party has abandoned them in favor of the professional class (which it has for the most part) and they're getting at least lip service from the right. Solid blue democratic districts for decades have turned red. Does it strike anyone curious to wonder why?
Or should we talk about the Russians..........


Edited by chunkstyle (05/11/18 07:07 PM)

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#306714 - 05/11/18 10:02 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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It's kind of funny, Republicans want to privatize Social Security and Wall Street is all behind turning everybody's secure pension into a 401K style investment account they can churn and take commissions from. But that would turn almost everybody in the country into a Wall Street fanboy. Every shoe-shine boy and garbage man giving you hot penny stock tips. Sound like 1929?

It sounds like a populist move, but most people would do much worse managing their own portfolios. And simply turning a lifetime pension system into an investment account would impoverish millions of people during their last days. I think planning a draw-down to a certain age would result in a huge wave of suicides when they live longer that their money.

We should call it what it is: A Republican scheme to murder lots of old people.

Maybe what we need is an insurance plan to give people a certain modest income if they live beyond their life expectancy. Oh, wait: That's what we have now!

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#306716 - 05/11/18 10:37 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
It's kind of funny, Republicans want to privatize Social Security and Wall Street is all behind turning everybody's secure pension into a 401K style investment account they can churn and take commissions from. But that would turn almost everybody in the country into a Wall Street fanboy. Every shoe-shine boy and garbage man giving you hot penny stock tips. Sound like 1929?

It sounds like a populist move, but most people would do much worse managing their own portfolios. And simply turning a lifetime pension system into an investment account would impoverish millions of people during their last days. I think planning a draw-down to a certain age would result in a huge wave of suicides when they live longer that their money.

We should call it what it is: A Republican scheme to murder lots of old people.

Maybe what we need is an insurance plan to give people a certain modest income if they live beyond their life expectancy. Oh, wait: That's what we have now!


You do realize that it was Bill Clinton who wanted to privatize social security security and nearly did so PIA?
Ditto with Obama?

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#306717 - 05/11/18 10:53 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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chunk,I love ya, but I gotta call B.S.

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#306718 - 05/11/18 10:55 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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#306723 - 05/12/18 01:18 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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I read the two articles. One is about how Hillary Clinton might have been considering health accounts during the election. The other was a thinly sourced report of Bill Clinton looking at privatization. Both seem like they could hang from cobwebs. Is there one for Obama?
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