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#306725 - 05/12/18 01:24 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: Spag-hetti]
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At some point in his life Obama probably said that people should try to save more. That's about as substantial as these two links.
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#306728 - 05/12/18 03:34 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Links out. A rabbet hole to go down.
Feed your head

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#306729 - 05/12/18 04:09 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Yeah. I'll admit I misspoke that Obama wanted to privatise SS. Cut? Yes. Privatise? No.

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#306730 - 05/12/18 11:26 AM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Back to the thread topic: If Republicans want to run somebody with a stunning background, they have a real war hero with multiple medals who has gone on to serve our country at the highest levels for his entire post-military career:

Robert Mueller

Time Magazine's Short List for Person of the Year 2017

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#306731 - 05/12/18 01:51 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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Republicans are happy with the current office holder.

Trump 2020!


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#306732 - 05/12/18 02:32 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
chunkstyle Offline
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It's lousy right wing corporate democratic ideas, like privatizing social security, that will help get Trump a second term.
It's quite astounding to see how far the Democratic Party has moved to the right for the professionals and have exposed themselves on their left flank. Whereas the right has picked up on anger and imitated the language of the populist left and are winning.
There was no better example of how obvious that was than during the democratic primary. It was clear who had the energy and why.
It was clear in the general who had the energy and why.
There is still this managerial corporate class dominating the Democratic Party that won't realize this and they have the pie charts and Venn diagrams that will prove otherwise.
This battle between the populist left wing and the white collared right of the Democratic Party is being played out in the primaries across the country.
The corporatists are trying to knock out the populist progressives.
If the corporatists succeed I expect the right to further consolidate gains in 2020.
As Thomas Frank has stated 'they know how to beat democrats now'.
I would add that the democrats don't understand how they get beat.


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#306733 - 05/12/18 05:55 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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I admit, I laughed out loud when I saw the sources you cited, my friend. CATO? About CLINTON. Yeah, I believe that as much as I believe anything the Donald has to say...

There are NO DEMOCRATS supporting privatizing Social Security. None. I've found no credible evidence of that, anywhere. The most that can be said is that some said they are "open to compromise." It has been a longstanding point that private savings could be allowed to supplement Social Security - like the "Deferred Compensation" and "Thrift Savings Plans" governmental employees enjoy. I've not seen any suggestions about cutting, either.
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#306735 - 05/12/18 06:06 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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I believe saying Congress should privatize SS is the equivalent of saying the federal government should not offer any services to its citizens.

If that is the case then the only point of a federal government is to ensure the rich get richer and to steal everything in sight.
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#306736 - 05/12/18 07:54 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: chunkstyle]
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The title of a news article suggested something so odious I couldn't bring myself to read it ... Russians to reap great benefit from US withdrawal from JCPOA. So this notion struck me ... the evangelicals are packing their bags for the end of times and the Russian oligarchs are making out like the bandits they are ... Mr Trump sold out to the religious nuts and made a partial down payment for his end of the quid pro quo to the Russians ... I mean WOW ... WOW
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#306737 - 05/12/18 08:35 PM Re: TRUMP 2020! [Re: rporter314]
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I, too, had read a number of articles about who will benefit from the withdrawal from JCPOA. I think Trump's primary interest in scuttling it was purely spite. Anything Obama did, he viscerally opposes. It was one of Obama's signature achievements, therefore it must be bad. He's not a deep or strategic thinker.

But, there are certainly those who gain from Iran as the boogeyman, and they encouraged the weak-minded one to "take a stand". Among those are: John Bolton (whose neocon bona fides need stimulation); Israeli hardliners (Netanyahu); Iranian hardliners; Saudi Arabia; Russia; China. In other words, all those who are not fans of American security. Trump was quite willing to play into their hands. He's a fool of the highest order.
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