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#306594 - 05/04/18 06:12 PM Democratic Purity
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If you google "Democratic Purity" you are going to get about 2 million replies. This is actually a internecine battle, right now, about who "qualifies" as a Democrat. There is, apparently, no place for anybody just being on the left, or in the middle, there is NO middle ground! Basically this means that the Democratic Party is on its way to being a party of my way or the highway. Basically, they have no real platform and are all for a freefall rather winning an election.

My own thought, probably wrong, is that anybody that supports the 20% traitor side should be thrown out of the Democratic Party!

Reagan said "The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor." With this attitude he grew the Republican party. When you go to the "20 percent traitor" side you are, basically, giving the Republicans exactly what they want, ie. ANOTHER TERM! The nation party is already at this by picking and choosing local candidates instead of going with locals that can actually win. The general consensus, amongst the pros, seems to be what will lose the Democrats the next election in spite of HUGE screwups on the part of the Right and the Jackass.

So, again, the Dems are going to have to come together, understand that the current move to Democratic Purity is a HUGE mistake and will cause them to lose the election. We should all remember when one part of the left actually voted for the Jackass, and lost the election. Everybody not in support of the current Right should understand who the enemy really is and just stop it!

I have been preaching this one for over a year. I also remain amazed that the party hasn't come to terms with a very simple thought - again: "The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor." This was the though Reagan used to unite the Republican party and the Dems would be wise to do it themselves. This would mean, approximately, that if you are against the idiot, believe that society should take care of its members, truth matters, the money and corporations are not individuals, against racism and fascism, etc. are probably democrats. All the rest are probably subjects for argument and debate and treated as such.

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#306597 - 05/04/18 09:01 PM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: jgw]
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It's been said that voting for the lesser of two evils just gives you more evil.
Well, voting for the greater of two evils definitely does give you A LOT MORE evil, so why would you want to vote for the GREATER EVIL or even give the greater evil a better chance?
The whole theory of why it's bad to vote for the lesser of two evils is a logical fallacy.
It's a Nirvana fallacy, in fact, because apparently with a lot of liberals, perfect is the enemy of good.
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#306600 - 05/04/18 11:05 PM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Quote:
perfect is the enemy of good.

Well...in this particular instance, Bernie was the perfect and Hillary was the 20% traitor. We got Trump instead. Next time around we'll get pretty much whoever the party chooses to run against Trump or Pence.
It's time to start thinking about who that might be.
If Progressives(people further left than me, a mere liberal)...if Progressives want to get a Progressive nominated they better soon start trying to influence the Democratic Party in that direction. Having some guy like Bernie pop up like a knave from a jackinabox just before the election and well after the party has picked their favorite horse probably isn't the best way to go about it.
I don't think any names have popped up since Al Franken got blindsided.
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#306603 - 05/05/18 02:37 AM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: jgw]
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Even with our much-publicized polarization, about 33% of people will vote for anyone with an R after their name, and 33% will vote for anyone with a D after their name, because they don't want to think about politics and those are the teams they have always rooted for. That leaves 33% independents who are persuadable to vote either way. They are pretty much centrists, and have all sorts of justifications for the way they voted.

If you want to win, you've got to get more than half of them to vote for you. How do you do that? Going extreme left or right is probably not going to work. You have to convince them their lives will be better if you win, or their lives will be worse if the other guy wins.

Hillary was okay at "better if I win" but piss-poor at "we are screwed if Trump wins". Turns out we ARE all screwed with Trump, but that doesn't matter in the next race, since Trump will not be running. I think we are going to see a VERY strong unified "doomed if GOP wins" race come November.

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#306618 - 05/06/18 02:05 PM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
Quote:
perfect is the enemy of good.

Well...in this particular instance, Bernie was the perfect and Hillary was the 20% traitor. We got Trump instead.
as for me, I'll take an 80% solution every time.
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#306629 - 05/06/18 08:14 PM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: jgw]
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80% of what you want, that can actually WIN, is a lot better than 100% that loses.

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#306631 - 05/06/18 09:06 PM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
80% of what you want, that can actually WIN, is a lot better than 100% that loses.


As it turned out though...80% didn't win. 100% might have. But we'll never know. Until next time this happens. Maybe in 2020.

It's not that hard to imagine...DNC chooses Biden...Bernie runs again...Biden wins the nomination...Pence wins the general...lather, rinse, repeat.

At least the TEA Party voters vote for any R in a storm.

And let's not pretend that this is "Democratic Purity" we are talking about. It's political spectrum purity. The farther you go in either direction the more folks toward the middle look like the enemy.
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#306648 - 05/07/18 09:15 PM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: jgw]
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Bernie won't run again, but Jill Stein certainly will, unless Mueller does us a solid and gets her out of the way.
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#306672 - 05/09/18 04:42 AM Re: Democratic Purity [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Bernie won't run again, but Jill Stein certainly will, unless Mueller does us a solid and gets her out of the way.

Jill Stein, the lady who dined with Putin. I'm not going through another "Russian Witchunt." smile
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