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#306589 - 05/04/18 03:47 PM The Mob Boss with Pardon Power
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In his memoir, and in TV interviews, James Comey has likened Donald Trump to a Mob Boss. Comey is exactly right about Trump being like a mob boss. One of the main attributes of a Mob Boss is acting with impunity, which is certainly Trump's modus operandi.

Last night Trump consigliere Victoria Toensing appeared on All In with Chris Hayes arguing with a straight face that Trump couldn't obstruct justice by firing people, because he had that "unfettered" authority. Now, I could be charitable and argue that Toensing was just grossly ignorant of the law, and history, but, more accurately, she was just lying. Richard Nixon was accused of that very thing, and employed this famous defense:
It didn't work then, it can't work now.

Toensing, and other Trump surrogates, ignore the very basis of public corruption law. The whole point of public corruption is that the actor is doing something within their authority, but for a corrupt purpose - for example, bribery or obstruction of justice. (They are literally making the same argument that Nixon did: If the President does it, it can't be illegal.) It is, for example, perfectly legal for a legislator to vote any way they want to on a bill. But, if they do it for a pile of money, that's called bribery, and is corrupt. Similarly, the President has the power of pardon, but if he does it to obstruct an investigation, that is criminal.

Having the power of the pardon does not make one immune to prosecution (or impeachment), or any less of a Mob Boss.
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#306606 - 05/05/18 02:56 AM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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That's the meaning of "High Crimes" (as in "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"). Using your high office to do something with corrupt intent. It may not even be a normal crime, but it is a High Crime because the office holder used his position to do it. And as far as I can see, that's Trump's MO on just about everything. He has been using his position to do corrupt stuff since his school days, but he has never held high office before.

Somebody should have told him on the day he decided to run that all that shite would be over.

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#306630 - 05/06/18 08:38 PM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Somebody should have told him on the day he decided to run that all that shite would be over.


They did, he didn't listen.

Ghouliani and CONway have just admitted there might be more hush money.
Do you doubt it for a single minute?

As a mob boss the wanker in chief spent a lot of "executive time" watching porn. When he saw a girl he liked, he called someone like Cohen and set up a "meeting". Then he patted them on their fannies, cut them a nice check to keep it under wraps and had them sign a piece of paper. A scary piece of paper.

Why aren't more girls coming out of the woodwork...?


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Why Are So Many Female Porn Stars Turning Up Dead?
Five porn actresses have passed away in the last few months, and the adult industry is searching for answers.

Link

Mob Boss, pardon power.
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#306653 - 05/08/18 02:45 AM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Well, they are prostitutes after all. If you pay them and they go away, it's all good. Done deal.

If they come back, that's the nightmare!

Funny thing, is that I don't consider prostitution a crime. I guess it's my little social libertarian streak. If a woman wants to make a living screwing gross guys who are not getting laid any other way, that's their business. It's just like foot massage or bikini waxing. Nobody wants to do it, but for enough money they will.

I guess my outlook is colored by knowing a working girl (non-professionally) and also a bikini waxer and hearing them talk about their jobs.

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#306676 - 05/09/18 07:53 AM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Wow, turns out Giuliani was right: The stuff with Cohen IS complicated! It was not just paying off porn stars and bunnies. Cohen got a butt-load of money from a now-sanctioned Russian oligarch! Apparently, one of Putin's BFFs. The Stormy payment was probably paid by this Russian, which was a BIG crime if the payment right before the election was a contribution-in-kind.

He also got a bunch of "consulting fees" before the election from American companies, for doing no consulting. Seems Cohen is Trump's Bag Man in addition to being his Fixer. Cohen's going to prison. How long depends on how much he sings, but he is certainly going for a while.

Dirty money deal in excess of $10,000 = money laundering. This was more like 50 times bigger.

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#306679 - 05/09/18 10:58 AM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It looks like Trump's cheating on the Iran Deal may be a favor for Putin: Putin would love to rebuild Greater Russia with a bunch of client states, and US sanctions against Iran and even against French, British, and German companies that do business with Iran will isolate Iran so it's only ally is Russia (and maybe China). That's exactly what Putin wants, to make Russia Great Again.

Trump (and Bolton) are playing right into Putin's hand. Bolton will never get his Iran War with Russia defending them. Expect to see some Mutual Defense Pact announcements shortly. Probably involve Syria too, since Iran and Russia are good buddies with Assad.

We've been sold out to the Russians, folks.

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#306704 - 05/11/18 09:32 AM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I don't understand the House Republicans threat to impeach Rod Rosenstein. The House could impeach him but they would fail to get a conviction in the Senate because they don't have a super-majority. Senate Democrats would just vote "no" and that would be the end of it.

On the other hand, I think some House Republicans are risking indictments for Obstruction of Justice, conviction, and prison time. Have they decided Jesus is coming again before November, so they don't have to think about their future? Have they gone nuts? Jeff Sessions saw the hand writing on the wall very early on and recused himself, to try to stay out of prison.

Harvard Expert explains why Devin Nunes is going to prison

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This would make Devin Nunes guilty of conspiracy against the United States. That consciousness of guilt would also help prove that Nunesí subsequent attempts at sabotaging the Trump-Russia investigation were in fact obstruction of justice. Nunes could try to cut a plea deal. But with bigger fish Michael Flynn having already cut a deal, itís not clear that Nunes would have anything of value to offer prosecutors. No wonder Laurence Tribe thinks Nunes is headed to prison.


I think Nunes is getting desperate.

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#306706 - 05/11/18 04:14 PM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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There's little doubt in my mind that Nunes f*ed up spectacularly when it was exposed that the intelligence he "discovered" came directly from the White House. Since then he's been considered, accurately, as a toady for Trump. I'm shocked, actually, that Paul Ryan continues giving him cover. But prosecution is unlikely (even if deserved and legally plausible). He's already earned his Trump pardon, and there are legitimate separation of power issues.

Frankly, I'm surprised that Republican in the legislature have been so reluctant to seize the opportunity to flex their muscles. They could be putting in legislation to curb the presidency and Democrats would go along. We could see a resurgence of legislative power over "the imperial presidency." I think they're just too scared.

It's also incredible that they are seeking Rosenstein's impeachment for doing his job, when they have such a ripe target in Scott Pruitt. If anyone has earned removal it is Pruitt. Oh, but he's destroying the right target... SO institutionally short-sighted.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich

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#306709 - 05/11/18 05:31 PM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I think the mob boss, known as The Jackass, has set up a tribe of them offering access and that Mueller is going to prove that he is taking the mob boss' cut (hopefully?). I think that because he does behave, as a mob boss, and that is what they do (a little taste here, and a little taste there adds up). This is a guy who has ripped off any and all who have bravely bought into one of his schemes. People tend to forget, for instance, how he bled his casinos dry and then filed bankruptcy and came out smelling like a rose while everybody else lost their shirts. We should also remember, when he was running, that he declared that he was the 'master of debt' which meant, when one looks even vaguely closer, that his solution to that one was not to pay his debts (contractors actually quit working for him unless they were paid up front).

Just saying..................

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#306713 - 05/11/18 09:35 PM Re: The Mob Boss with Pardon Power [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Interesting thing about pardons: Dangling the possibility of a pardon before somebody about to be or under indictment may be Obstruction of Justice. John Dowd may end up being charged for exactly this with reference to Manafort and Flynn. It's probably not Obstruction to pardon people after their trial, but interfering with an ongoing investigation is a big no-no.

The dangle would be: "Hang in there and don't flip because the President will pardon you after your trial." Sure sounds like Obstruction to me!

You'd think they covered all of this in law school, but maybe there is no "Fixer 101" class. Only five Watergate burglars, but 40 of Nixon's men got indicted. People in the Trump administration don't know what a world of hurt they are getting into.

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