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#306566 - 05/02/18 07:37 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: pdx rick]
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Every tax cut should come with equal or greater amounts of budget cuts...

Q: What do CONservatives, ISIS and al Queda all have in common? smile

A: They ALL want to degrade and destroy government. Hmm

There is actually very little government to destroy. There are people who try to run our lives from afar. There are people who refuse to pay their bills. There are people who I wouldn't let in my yard, never mind my house. This is not a government, because they refuse to govern responsibly. Screw em, let Donald run us into the ground, maybe he will pass another tax cut before he does run us into the ground. Then, the government will have no choice but to address the mess they have made.

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#306570 - 05/03/18 12:59 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: Ma_Republican]
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In the same spirit, a good nuclear war would solve a lot of problems.

Of course, it would end the human race, but like I said it would end those problems.

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#306576 - 05/03/18 06:42 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Oh, oh! Rudy just said Trump DID pay Cohen the $130000. That means all of Trump's denials are Obstruction of Justice, because they were attempting to cover up his original crime (adultory, still illegal in New York), and that demonstrates corrupt intent. It is because Mueller is investigating that any lying about it is Obstruction. You don't have to be in court or under oath, either.

Trump has managed to stumble his way into the dog doo. Every time he's opened his mouth it gets worse. It would have been a big nothing-burger if he had said in 2016: "Yes I boned a porn star while my wife was giving birth to my son."

I doubt Rudy is going to last the month.

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#306757 - 05/16/18 01:23 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Back to the titular question, nothing will stop him, short of arrest.

How about this ZTE thing? Let's see ZTE sold Iran and North Korea electronics, in spite of the sanctions. They were fined and sentenced to not receiving electronic chips from us for seven years. ZTE said they would have to close their phone operation. I think I heard Apple cheering.

Then a Chinese construction company, state owned, loans Indonesian developers $500 million to build a resort. A resort with Trump hotels and a Trump golf course.

Now Trump wants to help ZTE get back in business as quickly as possible. Forget the sanctions violations. Forget the danger of those phones being hacked by the Chinese.

Apparently ZTE gets an informal pardon because ..... MONEY!!!

For crying out loud. Isn't that enough?

Bailiff! Whack his peepee!

I feel like I'm in a parallel universe. One where what should be conspiracy theories are real. This stuff is too corrupt to be believable, yet there it is, playing out right in front of our faces.
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#306758 - 05/16/18 02:57 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I had the same out-of-body experience. Strain the swamp!
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#306759 - 05/16/18 04:34 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: Spag-hetti]
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Originally Posted By: Spag-hetti
...Apparently ZTE gets an informal pardon because ..... MONEY!!!...

Well, there's always the tariffs, right?
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#306760 - 05/16/18 06:15 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I see that Giuliani is now threatening Mueller. Not a great idea, Rudy! You are asking for a Obstruction indictment. You'd think they covered not threatening the prosecutor in the first year of law school. Firing Mueller could get Trump impeached, but it could send the lawyers who told him to do it to prison, even if Trump wasn't impeached.

40 Nixon administration people got indicted for a reason, including lawyers. Dean was a lawyer.

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#306761 - 05/16/18 04:19 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: pondering_it_all]
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You are asking for a Obstruction indictment.

You have of course assumed there are a number of responsible Republicans om Congress, but could you point out more than the, literally, handful of Republicans who have the integrity to put country ahead of party. Suppose SP Mueller presents AG Sessions with a report with evidence which would lead to indictments. Do you believe AG Sessions would do anything about it? Indict Don Jr? Jared? Eric? o maybe Ivanka?

I predict, once again, Mr Trump will fire, in no particular order, Rosenstein, Mueller, and if necessary Sessions. I also predict Republicans will do nothing, Hannity will praise Mr Trump for saving the country, and Mr Trump will serve out his term as president.

At that point, you, me, and everyone we can get to the voting booths will have the opportunity to remove this cretin, destroyer of a once great nation, klepocrat extraordinaire from public office.

Keep it real, with eyes locked on the prize
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#306764 - 05/17/18 04:32 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Did you forget that quite a few of these crimes are also state crimes? Some important states with jurisdiction over any crime that happens in their state are run by Democrats, with Democratic Governors and Attorney Generals. They do not need Congressional cooperation to indict, try, and convict. And their sentences are not subject to Presidential pardon.

Almost everybody executed in the US is convicted in State court.

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#306765 - 05/17/18 10:46 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I think you are conflating federal and state crimes.

SP Mueller is only concerned with federal crimes.

As far as I know, only a few non-Trump family people are considered for state crimes.

All the Trump family (except Mr Trump) could, if there is evidence, be indicted in state courts, I suppose, but that does not solve the problem. I do not know the Constitutional answer to the question whether a sitting president can be indicted in state court, but this is of course the only question worth asking.

I have to guess Giuliani may be truthful when he stated SP Mueller told the Trump obstruction team of attorneys, he, SP Mueller, would not indict Mr Trump per DoJ protocols. If there is enough evidence, Mr Trump would presumably be listed as an unindicted person with evidence of criminal activities.

Every avenue of legal attack turns into a political problem, ergo my conclusion at this point (since I have not seen any evidence, and have to base my conclusion on public reporting, and the political atmosphere) is the Republicans would not charge Mr Trump (and so there would be no impeachment proceedings).

As much as I find it distasteful to have a religious nut but politically rational person as president, it is far better than having Mr Trump as president, and yet I see no chance of removing Mr Trump, even if the Democrats win the House and tilt at windmills. There will not be enough Republicans in the Senate to convict.
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