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#306742 - 05/13/18 05:55 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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Its "Us against Them" and, as far as I can see, ours make more sense and should be presented. On the other hand, go too far, and you will turn off the votes. In Seattle the left is proposing a head tax of 500.00 on every large company employee in Seattle. This includes Amazon. Amazon pays something like 250 MILLION dollars a year in taxes right now and the left has decided to nail them for another 20 million to fix its homeless problem. Skipping past the millions spent on studies and trials and sticking to the head tax. Amazon has stopped building project and put everything on hold until the head tax thing is solved. If they stick to it I suspect Amazon is gone and Seattle will lose something like 8,000 jobs and also the construction jobs and the added 2000 jobs that is all about. The left is doubling down because they claim to be in the right and Amazon has profits that they must spend to bail Seattle out of their homeless adventures. This is, as far as I am concerned, one of the most egregious and unthinking trip into waaaay too far I can give. If the left doesn't want the right to win and go the other way then they are going to have to use common sense instead the paean of shove it down their throats taxation, especially if its going to cost jobs, income, etc. I fully expect Amazon to put the plug on Seattle if they keep at it. The amazing thing about this is that apparently Amazon actually agreed if they cut the head tax to 250.00 a head. I should also mention that there are other large companies giving serious thoughts to moving too. Greed, in this case, has a price and, I fear, Seattle will be proving that one with vigor.

I guess I should mention that the homeless problem will continue to grow and more poor will be thrown out of their homes because of higher rates. This is a national problem and its an important one to solve. Picking a single financial segment, and then laying it all on them is not, I think, the answer.


Edited by jgw (05/13/18 05:59 PM)

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#306762 - 05/17/18 02:07 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Some interesting results on the left

[url=inthesetimes.com/article/21149/socialism_dsa_pennsylvania_election_may_15_summer_lee_democratic_party]Going left for a win?[/url]


Edited by chunkstyle (05/17/18 02:08 AM)

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#306763 - 05/17/18 02:39 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (05/17/18 02:39 AM)
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#306766 - 05/17/18 12:34 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Thanks Jeff

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#306767 - 05/17/18 02:56 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
rporter314 Offline
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I would have thought the first and only question one should ask of people is what do they expect of government.
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#306778 - 05/19/18 06:18 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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Joe Biden is the Dems ONLY hope in 2020. Hmm
Maybe adding Bernie as VP would cinch the ticket. smile
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#306779 - 05/19/18 09:26 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: pdx rick]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline

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Originally Posted By: pdx rick

Joe Biden is the Dems ONLY hope in 2020. Hmm
Maybe adding Bernie as VP would cinch the ticket. smile


They're on opposite ends of the Dem spectrum.
Bernie might be willing to work with Biden but I don't see how anyone can imagine Biden working with Bernie.
Look at Biden's past policy positions. He was the original anti-pot crusader, coined the term "Drug Czar".

What's Biden's positions on universal health care? How about subsidized secondary education? Biden-Sanders? Help me understand how that kind of thing works.

Help me understand how recycling old stuff works when we need a new approach and new blood? I like Bernie but he is damaged goods now, self inflicted.
Even Bernie's SON has enough sense to run AS A DEMOCRAT.
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#306781 - 05/20/18 12:43 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
chunkstyle Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
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Bernie is still the most popular politician so I guess the scratch and dents havnt damaged his resale value Jeff.
In case you missed it in the last election, the fix gets done in the primaries for the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.
I hardly think Bernie bending the knee to the DNC would have changed the outcome of their treatment of him. Unless you've gone full MACA, it's hard to miss this conclusion from all the reporting and internal leaks from the campaign.
The takeaway is alternative funding options now in place to support true progressives and have options beyond what the corporations decide who we can vote for (illiberal democracy were all enjoying now).
Finally, why would you ever vote for the corporate candidate that took monies from the same people who polluted the worlds economy, destroyed families, wiped out people's savings?
Because she had a D next to her name?
Rilly?

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#306782 - 05/20/18 03:31 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: chunkstyle]
pondering_it_all Offline
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Registered: 02/27/06
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Loc: North San Diego County
Quote:
Bernie is still the most popular politician

Hillary 16,914,722 votes Bernie 13,206,428 votes

I guess he's the most popular if you count Republicans...

Quote:
the fix gets done in the primaries for the corporate wing of the Democratic Party

You know, that election where Democrats had a popular vote and the corporatists changed the results so it looked like Hillary got 3.7 million more votes than Bernie. ROTFMOL

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#306783 - 05/20/18 06:15 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: pondering_it_all]
chunkstyle Offline
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Quote:
Bernie is still the most popular politician

Hillary 16,914,722 votes Bernie 13,206,428 votes

I guess he's the most popular if you count Republicans...

Quote:
the fix gets done in the primaries for the corporate wing of the Democratic Party

You know, that election where Democrats had a popular vote and the corporatists changed the results so it looked like Hillary got 3.7 million more votes than Bernie. ROTFMOL


Devoid of any contex, PIA, you might have a point. Yes Hillary got more votes in the primary. I won't bother with the details of how that primary played out.
I'm referring to Sanders polling currently. You hang on to that primary victory though. If it provides you comfort for the subsequent loss she suffered in the general.
Oh wait... She had the resume, the sophisticated analytics, the most powerful campaign machine known to man. How could she have...?
THE RUSSIANS!!!!

Go deep state, go!

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