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#306881 - 06/01/18 03:10 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I think this has to be one of the strangest political coups of all time.

Establishment Republicans apparently were completely unaware or were in denial of their constituency. Still today we find Republicans who talk about there not being racists and bigots in the party ... really???

One of the prime motivations has been the bigotry associated with illegal immigration which tapped into other long borne hostilities by a class of people who have been under assault by the forces of history, economics and societal evolution. Recognizing the changed texture of their constituents has forced Establishment Republicans to cower and acquiesce to the demands of their constituents for fear of losing their seat of power. While nativism and populism is on the rise it is also the seed of its own destruction. Historical evolution favors adaptability. Think long term.

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#306893 - 06/03/18 06:55 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It would be interesting if some state would charge a person who Trump pardoned for the same crime: They have already admitted guilt, when they accept the pardon. Would that be a slam-dunk prosecution, or would it just be sentencing under state laws because they already pleaded guilty?

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#306946 - 06/09/18 01:45 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Manafort and his Russian buddy are going to jail. His bail will be revoked for trying to tamper with witnesses. This was after his indictment and bail hearing. Judges really hate witness tampering and perjury. It threatens the integrity of the judicial system, which every judge (R or D) is dedicated to. They have to make sure he stops committing additional crimes, so it's pretty much a slam-dunk it's orange jumpsuit time.

Want to get the maximum possible sentence? This is how you do it. I doubt you would get more time for threatening the judge. Besides, a 20 year sentence is a great incentive to other potential defendants.

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#306947 - 06/09/18 02:06 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
It would be interesting if some state would charge a person who Trump pardoned for the same crime: They have already admitted guilt, when they accept the pardon. Would that be a slam-dunk prosecution, or would it just be sentencing under state laws because they already pleaded guilty?


I think that would be Double Jeopardy.
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#306949 - 06/09/18 03:56 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Not double jeopardy.
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#306955 - 06/09/18 05:48 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's only double jeopardy when a government entity charges you with the same crime after you are found innocent by that entity. When federal and state laws are both broken, both may charge you and try you. Most of these crimes took place in a state that can file charges.

We should remember that most prisoners are in state custody, and most executions are state executions. There is nothing half-assed about state prosecution.

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