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#306768 - 05/18/18 09:13 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Why not? Lots of Congressional Republicans have actually made statements to private sources about Trump sh1tting on them. They have a perfectly good Republican VP who is likely to go along with any conservative bill they want to pass, and he's not a huge liability who is destroying their party. When Mueller files his report and names Trump as a un-indicted co-conspirator for dozens of crimes, and new House Democrats do impeach him, it will ALL come out. Mueller could also indict dozens of Trump administration figures. A Democratic House will have wall-to-wall investigating committees actually calling on all those witnesses the Republican committees chose to ignore, and their reports will spell it all out in excruciating detail. Think the Senate will refuse to act?

We'll see. Trumps rap sheet will be nothing like sort of lying about a BJ.

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#306770 - 05/18/18 11:07 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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it's politics

think about the change in mood of the Republican base ... huge chunk is full blown crazy Trump supporters .... it is a cult of personality.

Why would these same folks not support the religious nut VP Pence? Cult of personality.

Republican Congressmen recognize political realities ... they need the crazy folks in the base to maintain power, so they will not endanger their chances with them and they will gladly suffer from the indignities of the host of the reality show on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Democratic Senate:: the probabilities of the Democrats winning a majority in Senate is small, but suppose they did ... say 51. They would need another 16 Republicans to vote for conviction. I can name maybe 5 who would vote for, so can you name another 11? Not so easy.

Political reality plays a big part of this. Consider the actions of Sen McConnell. Neither he nor Rep Ryan have brought up any legislation they believe would not pass and be signed by Mr Trump. Think about that for a sec.

Now suppose the Democrats fulfill your wildest dreams and take the House and Senate (barely at best). So in my opinion the political calculus looks like this ... The House would probably vote for charges to be brought against Mr Trump. This is to placate the base (I mean you gotta do something) ... then reality sets in ... in the Senate whoever the majority speaker should be, they would have to consider the perception of the proceedings as well as the political consequences. Why would the spkr conduct a trial for which he would suspect a conviction is at best just out of reach? The political consequences of that for voters would be to enrage Trumps base. Would any prosecutor go to trial knowing the jury is almost guaranteed to vote for acquittal?

I am trying to think of any actions Mr Trump could have done or would do which would convince Republicans to abandon their savior and I can not. He has probably committed all manner of white collar crimes ... and all anyone says is hohum. In addition, suppose SP Mueller finds pix of Mr Trump kissing Putin, finds the contract for the sale of America to Russia, and the plans for the largest financial theft ever, AG Sessions would have to approve filing charges.

Clearly one of the most disconcerting situations in American history. We have a president who may be de facto above the law (or more aptly escape the consequences of the law) not from Constitutional considerations but from situational realities. Incredible!!!
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#306771 - 05/18/18 04:16 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: rporter314]
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Heh. I can hardly wait to see what the NEXT president gets away with. rolleyes

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#306772 - 05/18/18 05:31 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Fidelity crisis. The Constitution tells us what we need to do, but the lawmakers lack the political stomach to carry out the demands of the law of the land.
Constitutional rot, brought to you by "CON-rot". (*thank you Logtroll!)


Edited by Jeffery J. Haas (05/19/18 02:53 AM)
Edit Reason: Correction - Logtroll
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#306773 - 05/18/18 07:00 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Just read headlines from an aggregator news site and became depressed.

Trump orders PMG to double rates on Amazon to punish rival Bezos
Surge in overseas revenues for Trump properties
Trump in clear violation of Emoluments clause .... CHina funding

and to repeat the proverbial and apparently no longer valid .... where is the outrage?
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#306774 - 05/19/18 12:33 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Harrumph! ConROT is copyrighted by Logtroll, sir!
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#306775 - 05/19/18 02:54 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
Harrumph! ConROT is copyrighted by Logtroll, sir!


I am SO sorry! Edited and corrected!
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#306776 - 05/19/18 04:09 AM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: Kaine]
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Quote:
I can hardly wait to see what the NEXT president gets away with.


Former WWE star wrestler President Macho Camacho screws a donkey on live TV to show his contempt for the Democratic Wimp Party. Then the Good Ole' Party boys butcher it and make barbeque for everybody at the White House Lawn Festival.

Lynching and whiskey sampling afterwards.

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#306777 - 05/19/18 06:17 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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What it will take to curb the President?

Nothing. The President is above the law. We can only 25th the President or we can convict after impeachment. That's all the Constitution allows. Hmm

Why do you think that Fatass wants to be President for life? gobsmacked
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#306794 - 05/20/18 08:30 PM Re: What it will take to curb the President [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It's especially ironic that Trump tweets that an FBI informant in his campaign is bigger than Watergate. I suspect he thinks Watergate was some sort of fake news story concocted by the FBI to bring Nixon down.

I got news for you, Donald: The FBI uses informants ALL THE TIME. Sometimes they are undercover agents sent in by the FBI to infiltrate criminal organizations, but more often they are just people who realize they are involved unwittingly with some criminal activities and report it to the FBI. Either way, there is nothing bad about being the informant or the FBI. If there was an FBI informant in your campaign it suggests there were real crimes going on by members of your campaign.

Yes Donald, the crimes of your campaign and administration are bigger than Watergate. More people are going to prison for longer sentences, because there are a lot more crimes.

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