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#306945 - 06/08/18 11:20 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Republicans will die on this hill.

Maybe literally, once enough grieving parents bury their kids. Maybe Republicans need to see what happens when they sentence innocent people to die.

Just read about one DACA kid who was sent back to Mexico by ICE, and he was killed within a week.

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#306950 - 06/09/18 03:58 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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I hope you can give me a cite. I want to spread that.
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#306951 - 06/09/18 04:01 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: NW Ponderer]
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#306954 - 06/09/18 05:43 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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It was actually within three weeks, not one week.

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#307014 - 06/18/18 05:59 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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I know, I am repeating myself. However, I don't think just bashing Trump is going to win the election for the Dems. It would be nice if they could actually bring themselves to even vaguely mention some of the stuff the Jackass administration is doing. You know, little stuff like lowering drinking water standards, dumping coal waste into running streams, tripling the rents of the poor, attacking our national parks, getting rid of medicare and medicaid, you know, the little stuff nobody seems to want to talk about.

I have often wondered if the Dems are even keeping track of what the right has been doing and producing a list that candidates could use. I have written to them and asked but couldn't get any answer, except, of course, a request for money as a response. Seems to me that their only real plan is to get a huge pile of money for I have no idea, at least the right can be counted on to actually put up ads every now and then.


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#307017 - 06/18/18 08:50 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I know, I am repeating myself. However, I don't think just bashing Trump is going to win the election for the Dems. It would be nice if they could actually bring themselves to even vaguely mention some of the stuff the Jackass administration is doing. You know, little stuff like lowering drinking water standards, dumping coal waste into running streams, tripling the rents of the poor, attacking our national parks, getting rid of medicare and medicaid, you know, the little stuff nobody seems to want to talk about.

I agree with you, but the problem is getting these facts into the gibberish of American media.

At this point, the only way it might be done is to be as outrageous as Trump in making their points, but this would just increase the inanity of what passes for public discourse in the United States of Hysteria.
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#307021 - 06/19/18 02:18 AM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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Seems to me that their only real plan is to get a huge pile of money for I have no idea


They are well aware of every crappy thing the right and Trump have done. They will be running campaigns for November and in 2020. To do that takes money. Fund raising IS the start of every campaign, unless you think they can just talk about those issues and everyone will magically hear them. They are doing that right now and you are apparently not even aware of it, because it's not very effective. Free speech costs money, if you want lots of people to hear it.

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#307027 - 06/20/18 01:17 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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Money doesn't come for free.
You can't back popular positions and win broad support if your money tells you not to.
What you can do is play identity politics devoid of any meaningful impact on most peoples daily lives in any significant way except some minority of people.
Get completely wiped out in an election cycle and become more convinced that the corporate strategy will work with some fine tuning.
It may work once in a while. Perhaps it will in this upcoming mid term by not being trump. But like Clinton's campaign, it's not exactly running for anything.
Democratic Party leardership can't get over Mondales loss and realize what time it is.
Centrism seems to have lead to facism in the western democracies. This seems to have been missed by the Democratic corporate board members.

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#307028 - 06/20/18 05:27 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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I get dunned for money at least 6 times a day. If I assign said dunning to spam it makes no difference as it will be replaced. I can't even figure out how they are doing that. I do know that, after about 100 dunnings I just ignore them all. I know some of them running. When I mention this to them they just sigh and shrug their shoulders. It just gets irritating. When one considers that they are verging on a half a BILLION dollars, so far, their begging for money becomes egregious.

I live in the State of Washington. I have yet to see a single ad put up by the Dems simply stating just what the right has been doing or anything else. We are about 5 months out to the mid terms. I have seen Republican ads. I simply don't get it. When I asked the DNC for a list of bad perpetrated by the right I got no response - I did, however, get yet another dunning.

According to below they have now spent $345,716,758.00 I can only wonder where it went. My suspicion is that it went for salaries, studies, and really important secret stuff.

Here are the amounts collected, so far, for 2018 according to https://www.opensecrets.org/parties/
Total Raised Total Spent Cash on Hand Debts
Democratic Party $438,056,693 $345,716,758 $127,189,762 $11,113,834
Republican Party $563,814,978 $374,700,205 $135,368,055 $1,682,106
Democratic National Cmte $96,232,064 $99,135,089 $8,885,973 $5,306,565
Republican National Cmte $184,542,202 $166,038,866 $43,831,348 $0
Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $150,923,261 $95,773,024 $61,832,481 $0
National Republican Congressional Cmte $121,609,612 $73,401,659 $59,644,415 $0
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $76,265,075 $47,283,165 $32,280,736 $4,194,420
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $63,896,172 $54,249,229 $16,779,880

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#307032 - 06/20/18 06:15 PM Re: The Democratic Plan [Re: jgw]
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I've posted this link before and it's worth remembering the utter and complete graft and incompetence of the corporate democratic party.

Centrist Incompetence


An annihilation of an election and the rules committee is still rearranging the deck chairs and hoping for a big win in November by not being a republican. In the same vain that Clinton's organization was hoping for a Trump nomination so they could make that garbage barge of a candidate look good in comparison.
There are other, much more credible, financing organizations out there if you are looking to re-take the democratic party back from these greed head Eisenhower republicans who've managed to utterly and completely run it into the ground.

Justice Democrats
Our Revolution
Working Families Party

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