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#307009 - 06/17/18 09:23 PM gas lighting and the meda
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Today my wife gifted me with more tv punditry. I wonder, is anybody else sick and tired of the media enabling the Jackass in his constant, unending gas lighting of the American public. I just don't get it. Now, it seems, the media is starting to 'be concerned' over covering the lies of the Jackass. If this wasn't so offensive it would be laughable. The Jackass (Mr. Trump) is a product of the media.

They actually proudly gifted him with billions of free exposure to get him started. I say 'proudly' as the media casually admitted what they were doing because it was, basically, a real money maker and increased viewership. I used to think the Jackass was dumb - I don't anymore. What he does works! He bedazzles, confuscates, hints, states and then doubles down to the point that the viewers have no idea whether they are afoot or horseback. His base, ignorant to a fault, actually dote on their ignorance.

A bit of wishful thinking. What if the media just stopped giving free access to report on utterly baseless claims of no merit. Just save it all for a half hour show, at the end of the week, that would report the lies for what they are, chapter and verse. Instead they will actually empanel a group of talking heads to discuss nonsense. I suspect one of the first examples of this was the media coverage of 'birtherism' (they actually coined a word for it!). The current coverage of the incredibly overrated waste of time known as the "Singapore Meeting", where the only real thing that happened was the Trump gave away the store with pride, would probably be another example of this. I know, many reports did say nothing happened but, basically, stated "in passing".

There are books on gaslighting. One of interest might be "Gaslighting America: Why We Love It When Trump Lies to Us" which is actually written by a Republican.

Anyway, just saying................

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#307011 - 06/18/18 02:06 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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Do not be to hard on the Media, they are just doing what they have been constructed and conditioned to do and it makes them susceptible to manipulation by someone like President Donald (DICKtator Wannabe) Trump.

For 10 - 15 years, I used to live near New York City and would frequently hear of Trump's antics and how he manipulated the media to garnering front page or headline attention. He loved it. He needs it. He feeds from it. So, just as any parasite would do, it makes its host give what the parasite needs, even if it kills the host. The parasite does not care, it wants what it needs and everything else can just die.

Ignore President Donald (parasite) Trump and he will do even more outrageous things. He is also a magician wannabe, he uses misdirection at every turn. So if you really want to know what he is up to look not at the headlines, but look in the shadows.
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#307012 - 06/18/18 05:48 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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Actually, I can remember a time when the networks considered their news departments to be part of their responsibility to the nation and were not centers for profit. During that time they also operated under the fair exposure rule which said if you give one side free time then you were honor bound to give the other side the same exposure. This all worked really well. Then came cable tv and all of that got thrown out the window.

If we had an elected class that was willing to force them that peddle news to work under that kind of a mandate I suspect we would have a much better, and more interesting fare. Now, however, we certainly cannot claim to have an elected class that tends to support their backers (money) and themselves rather than do their damned jobs and actually run the nation in the interest of the nation. I blame the voters for this, incidentally, and doubt there is a road back to having an elected class that puts the nation first as they have done an absolutely great job of dumbing down the entire electorate.

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#307015 - 06/18/18 06:21 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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Yes, the days of Edward R. Murrow, Walter Cronkite and others of their stand are long gone.
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#307019 - 06/18/18 11:28 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
Actually, I can remember a time when the networks considered their news departments to be part of their responsibility to the nation and were not centers for profit. During that time they also operated under the fair exposure rule which said if you give one side free time then you were honor bound to give the other side the same exposure. This all worked really well. Then came cable tv and all of that got thrown out the window.

If we had an elected class that was willing to force them that peddle news to work under that kind of a mandate I suspect we would have a much better, and more interesting fare. Now, however, we certainly cannot claim to have an elected class that tends to support their backers (money) and themselves rather than do their damned jobs and actually run the nation in the interest of the nation. I blame the voters for this, incidentally, and doubt there is a road back to having an elected class that puts the nation first as they have done an absolutely great job of dumbing down the entire electorate.


It was never codified into law but that gentleman's agreement to present news "in the public interest" pretty much made news a "public service" instead of a consumer product sold at profit.
The piece of law which held it all together was The Fairness Doctrine.
FD required stations to "act in the public interest".

Once 24 hour cable news came into existence, it became clear that FD was no longer feasible because if a cable channel can't make a profit, it dies.

But that doesn't mean that we can't impose standards which clearly define what is "news" and what is something else.

And news must by needs be objective, accurate and impartial.
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#307029 - 06/20/18 05:31 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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There are some that are now calling for all news (agencies, sites, media, etc) to be rated. I remain confused as to who would do this (some are calling for got but that's unlikely I think) but, in principle, that is certainly a place to start?

If gov did take it on I guess they could call it the truth agency and make it completely independent?

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#307037 - 06/21/18 01:45 AM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
There are some that are now calling for all news (agencies, sites, media, etc) to be rated. I remain confused as to who would do this (some are calling for got but that's unlikely I think) but, in principle, that is certainly a place to start?

If gov did take it on I guess they could call it the truth agency and make it completely independent?


Why not the Associated Press, with the provision that pubs do not have to be AP members to receive an impartial rating.

AP has been the heartbeat of solid journalism since the aftermath of the Civil War. It's a nonprofit.
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#307038 - 06/21/18 03:58 AM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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#307039 - 06/21/18 01:51 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: pdx rick]
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I think Reich missed the fundamental issues.

1. Foremost Mr Trump is a narcissist (he suffers from NPD). He is irrational and everything he says and does is predicated on somehow enhancing his view of himself. Examples are all to easy to type. Nothing he does is actually based on policy. Read recent articles detailing how his immigration separation policy was meant to be a winning issue politically to incite his base.

2. He has learned over the years how to manipulate the media to his advantage. Narcissists are clever. His goal is a 24/7 Trump blanket on the media. Can anyone imagine 50% or 75% Trump? He will drown the news with Mr Trump. This is of course exacerbated by his occupancy of the WH. See the recent TV spectacle in Singapore.

3. Once reporters have accepted the "fact" he is a narcissist (BTW, I think when reporters do use the word to describe some action by Mr Trump, what they really mean is his extremely large ego. Don't be fooled. A large ego and narcissism are not the same thing.) they can ask questions from the proper perspective. Now you ask, how? Every question has to be about him. Remember he is irrational. The policy will only make sense when placed in context. (Of course much of what he does is conservative agenda or evangelical agenda, but these are the groups which supported him and these are the groups he implements policy for, and these are the people who sing praises of him.)

When reporters ask questions of his staff and other executive bosses, we often see the irrationality of the policy as no one appears to understand what Mr Trump is doing. See recent separation issue. Ask anyone for a statement and get a different response from everyone.

4. You can't ignore him as everything he says and does impacts lives everywhere.



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I am starting to think this era has the hallmarks of a historical battle of ideas. It will be violent. The historical imperative has always been adaptability for survival. Likewise I see once again the ideas of forward thinking winning the battle. I think we should also try to mitigate the impact on our way of life. As the forces of darkness move brazenly to extinguish the light, resist!!! 230 years ago, forward thinkers had to compromise with the reactionaries of their time to bring us to this day. In the course of those years, it has been the forward thinkers who have eventually won the day.

5. HOLD FAST







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#307040 - 06/21/18 05:45 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
jgw Offline
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two different things. The fact that the jackass has mental problems are a given as far as I am concerned. Reich's thoughts are, I think spot on. If the press could do what he suggests that might actually send the jackass over the edge.

I think, sometimes, that people forget that the jackass lies between 75% and 80% of the time. This being the case who knows which is a lie and which is not. I have previously suggested that media simply ignore all Trump and then present what he has said, fact checked, at the end of the week and ignore all the rest of the blather.

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