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#307041 - 06/21/18 06:18 PM ICE - the new gestapo
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I have been watching tv following the immigration thing and it just keeps on getting better and better (or a LOT worse). The jackass just signed something to keep families together. However, it also seems that this has nothing to do with the thousands of children taken and their repatriation with their parents. I have previously noted some of what ICE has done. Little things, like literally interrogating grade school children that 'look' hispanic, stopping and searching all busses, road blocks on every road in a community, etc. Oh, they have also been mixing up those of Spanish heritage with native Americans. All this has been interesting but they seem to now be moving in a much bigger area of questionable exertise.

It seems that when they ripped the children away from their parents there was no paperwork. This, in turn, seems to mean that gov has absolutely no idea who belongs to who or even who the children are. They have no plan to give the children back to the parents because they have no idea who anybody is!

Now, apparently, the new plan is to setup areas wherein all parents and children will be held together. In the good old days of the Nazi Gestapo these 'areas' were called "concentration camps" and, apparently, they are now planning something similar to keep all these lawless furners under control whilst the gov prosecutors get them convicted of misdemeanors. They are actually now talking about keeping said criminals in these 'areas' for literally years! Under normal circumstances, incidentally, a 'misdemeanor' is considered a minor crime usually dealt with by a small fine of some sort (you can look it up).

The other night I watched a previous head of border security, Gil Kerlikowske, talking about the current stuff. He said that one of his main concerns was the effects on the current members of ICE. The current reports are indicating his concerns are not out of line as these members of ICE are having no problem at all ripping nursing children from the breasts of their mothers, housing children in cages, etc. I suspect the concern has become reality and ICE members are rapidly turning into a gestapo in the classic sense. In other words, heartless, uncaring, robots doing the wishes of their jackass leader.

So, to sum it up. We have the members of ICE willing to do whatever at the bidding of their leader. There are actually plans to house entire families in guarded compounds once known as concentration camps run by ICE. The only thing that seems to be missing is that the Nazis were very careful to note, record, and organize so that they knew, exactly who everybody was and who they were. In the current instance, the paperwork seems to be missing and nobody actually has a clue as to how to re-integrate the families ripped apart.

As an aside it also seems that all prisoners, and children, are stripped of all belongings. Jewelry, food, religious artifacts (rosaries, crosses, etc), and toys. Said items are, apparently, thrown into the garbage. Basically ICE is taking whatever the refugees have and throwing it away. I guess this one comes under the heading of working hard to prove they can be jerks and a**holes.

Up here, where I live, we have an ICE encampment, complete with rolls of razor wire encompassing their holding area where, as far as I know (I could be wrong), there has yet to be any occupants (after at least 2 years) but I am equally sure they have plans.

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#307042 - 06/21/18 06:45 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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In a few short years we'll see American officials touring these sites and apologists remarking how "they had no idea it had become this craven and horrible". Sound familiar?
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#307043 - 06/22/18 12:39 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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An ICE concentration camp near Port Angeles? Must be for all those Canadians sneaking across the border: In other words, no occupants because no immigrants. Or maybe they built it to house Americans trying to sneak out...

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#307051 - 06/22/18 03:00 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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So, a women arrives illegally in the United States. She has children with her. Are they her children? Can she prove that they are? She get arrested for, you know, breaking the law and her children are supposed to go where? If it were up to me, I would deliver them to the Mexican authorities in the closest Mexican border town and tell them it is up to them to care for them. You see, this whole situation is avoidable, the criminal alien who got busted didn't have to cross the border. She know what was going to happen if she were caught.

I may be a heartless conservative, but at least I use a little logic. Why the hell should we allow these people into the United States, never mind take care of their children. Why listen to their complaints when the US did noting wrong?

I tell you a big wall with machine guns, a moat with alligators, a mine field on the other side of the moat. Then, if that doesn't work, the US annexes the area across the Rio Grande, a mile or so would do the job.

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#307052 - 06/22/18 04:40 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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But they are just committing a misdemeanor when they cross the border other than at a Port Of Entry, and the POEs have huge lines that admit about 15 people a day. Considering the number of people seeking asylum, that's just like saying "Use the legal process." but the legal process is not accepting anybody. The waiting time might be years, and refugees waiting in line for even a few days will probably have dead kids.

Most of them are not even from Mexico, so telling Mexico to "take care of them" doesn't really make any sense. When we deport them, we don't just dump them in Mexico. Nobody else gets imprisoned for a misdemeanor violation. That's all Steven Miller's idea that sounds good (to Trumpians) but has some very expensive and horrible humanitarian crisis consequences. There are all sorts of other ways of dealing with this. This one is just going to do the worst possible damage to Republicans in November and might get Trump an igNobel prize.

Looking at the bigger picture, why do we even want to keep motivated immigrants out? We've always let them in and they built the US. Experts have been worried about our low birth rate and telling us that our economy is going to collapse with fewer workers. Immigrants are actually good news in this regard. Who else is going to work the farms, take care of us in old age, pay into social security, etc.? I think the main motivation is racism, because of Trump's remarks about getting more immigrants from Norway and shithole countries.

In the short term, why not just put ankle monitors on every adult, and turn them loose. Then you don't have to devote huge amounts of money to imprison both adults and kids.

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#307053 - 06/22/18 07:16 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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The other night they showed a bunch of folks who had been waiting, for 2 weeks to be able to present their case for asylum. Then there is the guy they exported. The problem is that they also took his son when they arrested him and he doesn't know where his son is now and nobody is telling him. I think they sent him back to some latin American country. Oh, Stephen Miller, the son, or grandson, of a survivor of a nzi concentration camp.

The reason they keep on coming is because we don't have the workers to do the jobs that need to be done so they can easily find work. There is an argument that goes something like; "New Orleans" would never have been rebuilt if it had not been for the workers from Mexico who were willing to live under bridges whilst rebuilding New Orleans." I suspect that is probably correct. Its also been said that we have, basically, exported our vegetable industry south of the border because farmers are no longer able to get help in the fields.

A link:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nearly-5-million-us-jobs-depend-on-mexico-2017-01-27
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccart...c/#53b99650538e

I think the Republican economic collapse is getting closer and closer as the jackass continues on his quest to wreck the economy.

The Jackass administration remains a constant source of entertainment and/or horror (choose one)


Edited by jgw (06/22/18 08:07 PM)

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#307055 - 06/22/18 08:05 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Where do we go from here?
Thirty percent of the population will not believe literally ANYTHING they see that is negative or uncomfortable about Donald Trump.
They've written off every major media outlet as fake news and only trust information from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Brietbart or InfoWars.
There is no point in even reasoning with them; it's as if they've joined a CULT.
What does a society do with that many citizens who choose to live in an alternate reality?
How do you govern a country that seems to have decided that facts are the work of the devil?
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#307058 - 06/22/18 08:30 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Originally Posted By: Jeffery J. Haas
Where do we go from here?
Thirty percent of the population will not believe literally ANYTHING they see that is negative or uncomfortable about Donald Trump.
They've written off every major media outlet as fake news and only trust information from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Brietbart or InfoWars.
There is no point in even reasoning with them; it's as if they've joined a CULT.
What does a society do with that many citizens who choose to live in an alternate reality?
How do you govern a country that seems to have decided that facts are the work of the devil?


You see, this is the sycophant whose opinion is fed to him every day.

They are not our children.
The policy of separating children has been going on for years.
We don't know whose kids they are.
Most of these people will become a drain on society, especially in the short term.

Yet, you rail against the President with generalities that aren't even related to the topic.

Mindless liberal gibberish.
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#307059 - 06/22/18 09:03 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican

The policy of separating children has been going on for years.
We don't know whose kids they are.


Don't quote debunked and straw man comparisons of two unlike things.
The way that we deal with illegal immigrants hopping the border, particularly if they have a criminal record, is several orders of magnitude different from the way we have dealt with refugees seeking asylum from Central America.

Mexico is not on any list for asylum, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala are.

And yesterday's EO is actually a backdoor means of criminalizing asylum seeking altogether.

So stop lying.
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#307060 - 06/22/18 09:45 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Quote:
I tell you a big wall with machine guns, a moat with alligators, a mine field on the other side of the moat. Then, if that doesn't work, the US annexes the area across the Rio Grande, a mile or so would do the job.


What "job" is it you're trying to do? What exactly is the logic behind spending all these law enforcement resources to keep people out or jail them indefinitely for a simple misdemeanor? Most of them are ready, willing, and able to be contributors to society.

It pretty much boggles the imagination that Republican hatred for people of color runs so deep.
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#307062 - 06/22/18 11:37 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Greger]
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Originally Posted By: Greger
It pretty much boggles the imagination that Republican hatred for people of color runs so deep.
Yet they are adamantly not racists! Could it be a miracle...?
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#307077 - 06/23/18 11:26 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Perhaps the USA is not (completely) like Nazi Germany.

The public reaction against the barbaric, malevolent separating of children from their parents could not have occurred in Nazi Germany.

Clearly, many Americans have not yet been brainwashed into becoming dupes of the fascistic power structure of the USA.

However, the proportion of Americans supporting evil is still disturbingly high.
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#307079 - 06/24/18 12:56 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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It almost makes me think we really do need the church, to explain to these idiots what is right and what is wrong every Sunday.

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#307082 - 06/24/18 05:17 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Beto O'Rourke, the top challenger to Ted Cruz' seat, paid a visit to Tornillo today.

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#307084 - 06/24/18 07:09 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Ma_Republican]
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Originally Posted By: Ma_Republican


I may be a heartless conservative, but at least I use a little logic.
...
Tim
You left out an adjective. "Very" - as in, "very little logic." You see, Tim, there are things like "Laws" and "standards" and "basic humanity" that are supposed to apply in these situations. ICE is out of control because this administration doesn't believe in the rule of law and is inherently racist. I can provide a lengthy critique of the numerous violations of national and international law that these policies represent, but I know that will avail nothing.

What you probably don't realize, though, is that DHS believes that YOU are within their jurisdiction. Yep, checkpoints in Boston. Better carry your papers everywhere. BTW, your driver's license doesn't count (although mine does, as it is "enhanced"). You could be detained for weeks while they "process" you, and even deported. Access to a lawyer? HAH! Not in ICE-land. You don't even have to be brown, although that is "reasonable suspicion" to the Border Patrol. Good luck!

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#307085 - 06/24/18 01:01 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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It is an exceedingly sad state of affairs when a U.S. official - the top law enforcement official, no less - resorts to quoting the Bible to justify a policy (Remember the First Amendment, Mr. Sessions? Apparently not), then defends that policy by literally claiming it's "not as bad as the Nazis'." When Nazi Germany's extermination program is the "comparable" for a policy, you know we're in bad trouble.

Yes, but our concentration camps are not as bad as theirs because we don't do the killing! Instead we ship them to some "hell hole" to let vicious gangs do it for us. But at least our hands are clean! Multiple news agencies are legitimately comparing ICE and Border Patrol tactics to Gestapo practices - midnight raids of homes, round ups at businesses, bus searches, checkpoints in major cities - But, but, but "we're not as bad as that!" This is Amerika. These policies only affect brown people!

If you are not outraged at this point, and legitimately scared, you're not paying attention.

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#307086 - 06/24/18 05:01 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
It is an exceedingly sad state of affairs when a U.S. official - the top law enforcement official, no less - resorts to quoting the Bible to justify a policy

I bet there is something Jefferson Beauregard could quote from Sharia Law to bolster his ugly bias, too. Why just rely on Christian Law? Belt and suspenders, I always say...
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#307091 - 06/24/18 11:37 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Trump has now also decided that rule of law and due process need not apply either. The American people who worship Trump do so to the point where he absolutely can DO NO WRONG?
Yeah, that's a cult alright. They are Branch Davidians.

And I'm currently wondering exactly what it is that separates Donald Trump from David Koresh, besides money.
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#309698 - 12/04/18 04:54 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Jeffery J. Haas]
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Born in the U.S.A, Florida man says ICE requested he be held for deportation to Jamaica (Mercury news). This is not that unusual an occurrence:
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Brown is hardly the only U.S. citizen to face the threat of deportation. A Syracuse University study published in 2013 used ICE records to determine that the agency had placed detainers on 834 U.S. citizens over just a four-year period.
That was years before Trump's syndicate took over the agency.
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NPR has reported that its analysis of data obtained through the Freedom of Information Act showed that in the decade between 2007 and July of last year, six hundred and ninety-three U.S. citizens were held in county jails under immigration detention orders. A separate request by the Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens found that another eight hundred and eighteen were held in immigration detention centers. That’s a rough average of a hundred and fifty mistaken detentions of Americans every year.
When ICE Tries to Deport Americans, Who Defends Them? (The New Yorker, subscription). ICE held an American man in custody for ...his citizenship (LA Times, subscription).
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Since 2012, ICE has released from its custody more than 1,480 people after investigating their citizenship claims, according to agency figures. And a Times review of Department of Justice records and interviews with immigration attorneys uncovered hundreds of additional cases in the country’s immigration courts in which people were forced to prove they are Americans and sometimes spent months or even years in detention.


America's new "black sites" are county jails and immigration detention centers. Black being the operative word.

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#309718 - 12/05/18 07:56 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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I have been saying this for the last 2 years. Ever since they came to my neck of the woods. They have an office, on the outskirts of town, with razor wire enclosures, etc. They were stopping every bus and asking everybody for id, went into grade schools and interrogated 3rd graders, put up road block on every street in one little town. The problem is that they have yet to find any illegals. One of them stated, publicly, that he wanted to go back south where was actual work - he got fired.

One can go on and on about, them but the fact remains they ARE the new American Gestapo!

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#309722 - 12/06/18 01:12 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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I saw a photo of migrants seeking asylum in a line. They DID have numbers on their wrists, but they were in permanent marker. I guess that's a lot easier and quicker than tattoos.

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#309726 - 12/06/18 11:23 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Just thought I would mention that Islam considers the Old Testament as one of their holy books. It may be of passing interest that one can, literally, use the Old Testament to prove ANYTHING! Sharia law, for instance, is a product of the Old Testament, not the Quran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Christian_Bible

I would also mention that there are any number of self proclaimed "Christian" groups that are more enamored of the Old Testament than the New. I have always found that also be kinda interesting.

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#309728 - 12/07/18 12:56 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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#309730 - 12/07/18 03:38 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: pondering_it_all]
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If the IRS acted like ICE...
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#309757 - 12/08/18 07:12 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Pondering;
GREAT poster!

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#309773 - 12/09/18 06:23 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Yes, it is pretty cool because everything in it is true. I can't take credit though. Just copied it from the internet.

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#309868 - 12/14/18 09:00 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Seven-year-old girl who died at border did not receive medical care for 90 minutes (NBC). First known fatality. A victim of administrative neglect (after all, she's brown). Naturally, DHS blames the parents (DHS statement), rather than their inhumane (and illegal) policies...

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#309875 - 12/15/18 01:57 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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The more I learn about this little girl's death the more pissed I get. This is manslaughter, pure and simple.

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#309881 - 12/15/18 05:03 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I should clarify my last post. This killing was administered by Customs and Border Patrol, not ICE - although both are administered by DHS. The question about Kirstjen Nielsen, is she more Heinrich Mueller or Heinrich Himmler? More clarification: This is the fault of the administration. Having worked with law enforcement personnel much of my career, the bulk of the individuals involved are not the cruel, heartless people that they appear to be from the results of their actions. There are, however, plenty that are. Even if that is only 5% of the force, it reflects poorly on their compatriots. This, however, is the result of poor leadership and immoral policies.

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#309893 - 12/15/18 11:24 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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The very bad policy at fault is not having a translator available for intake interviews when you take immigrants into voluntary custody. All they had was Spanish speakers, but this was a Mayan family that did not speak or understand Spanish. The girl was in custody for 8 hours before they sent her to the hospital. The family knew she was sick, but they couldn't tell the authorities.

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#309900 - 12/16/18 07:24 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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On the upside the Dems have already announced an investigation into shutting down ICE as well as investigating this like this and punishing the offenders.

The house may be a new distraction almost as good as Jackass twitters, lies, and claims?

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#309972 - 12/21/18 08:45 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Putting the brakes on Trump lawlessness at the border: Supreme Court upholds block on Trump's asylum ban (CNN). Notes: Kavanaugh sided with Trump, Roberts did not. New DHS policy forcing applicants into Mexico will likely fall next. This is likely to be an early issue in the new Congress.

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#310629 - 01/29/19 05:37 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I was spouting mad reading a news article today: Libyan-American comedian says CBP called him 'illegal,' demanded his papers on bus (the Hill). THIS WAS IN F♤♡ING SPOKANE, WASHINGTON!! How does the Border Patrol think SPOKANE is in its jurisdiction? It's 250 miles from any border. Now the Gestapo CBP is randomly searching buses for brown-skinned people, pulling them off of public transportation, and demanding their papers. Does that give anyone else pause?

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#310632 - 01/29/19 03:17 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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Here, this may help - Authority of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agents: An Overview

Depends where they stopped him. Direct distant from Spokane to the Canadian Border is approximately 105 miles by road (google)

And yes, it worries me.
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#310635 - 01/29/19 07:40 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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This was at the SPOKANE bus station. You're right, though, 110 miles to the border crossing (Google let me down). CBP claims jurisdiction within 100 air miles. This should wake people up to just how intrusive CBP is getting - no "articulable suspicion" required. I wouldn't get off the bus: but they wouldn't bother me, I'm lily-white. Seriously, I've seen this scene in virtually every movie about Nazi Germany.

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#310638 - 01/29/19 09:44 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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I remember, years ago, I was with my wife and her relatives and we went to mexico. On our way back we were stopped immigration. Except for me the entire car was filled up with Mexicans! My wife, all her relatives, etc. So, they pulled me out of the car and asked me a bunch of questions and my documentation. I pointed out to them that I was the only one in the car not speaking spanish and not Mexican.

He just ignored me! That was my introduction to these folks and, now, they get to do other stuff. Up here we have an ice office at the city limits. It has a year with raxor wire and everything. One of their folks requested that he be sent back to the southern border as there was nothing to do here. He eventually got fired. The boss of ice, up in Bellingham, I think, was charged and convicted of child abuse along with some other stuff - never got fired. I have said this but, again.

They went into the community of forks and put roadblock on every street, interrogated kids in the third grade who looked hispanic, stopped every bus on the highway, etc. They never got to arrest anybody but they pissed off EVERYBODY. Everytime the sheriff got a call ICE was there too. finally the sheriff told them he didn't want them around when they answered calls. There is more but, I betcha, you get the point?

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#310640 - 01/30/19 05:55 AM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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ICE is planning an "interrogation" facility in my neighborhood. I've been looking into whether there is anything that can be done to stop it. It's unlikely that our City Council objects. They have rather "conservative" views about law enforcement issues. It's unnecessary. It's unwanted. But, I'm sure they'll find a reason to "justify" it. Local views don't really matter to them.

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#310652 - 01/30/19 08:53 PM Re: ICE - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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The trick is to make sure your law enforcement tells them not to 'help' or they will get driven crazy by these jerks. They will, of course, also go into your schools unless they tell them not to. Seems that they will do what locals tell them if the locals tell them. I don't know where you are but they now have hired so many that they are speading them out and its not unusual that they don't have anything else to do - literally!

Good luck!

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#310655 - 01/30/19 09:26 PM Re: DHS - the new gestapo [Re: jgw]
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I live in Lakewood, South of Tacoma. The reason for the interrogation facility is, apparently, they are running out of room at the Tacoma detention facility. They are moving "ancillary" activities out.

I'm not sure that most Washingtonians realize that most of the State, and nearly all of the residents, are claimed to be in CBP territory. 100 "air miles" covers everything West of the Cascades and North of Spokane. Walla Walla and Pullman might be spared, but that's why they haunt the bus stations. Most of California and Oregon are similarly situated. CBP needs to be reined in, by law or court order. Unfortunately, the courts are being peopled by unqualified zealots, xenophobes, homophobes, and protonazis.

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