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#307087 - 06/24/18 05:11 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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As far as I can tell there is really only one TV show that consistently calls it right (I think) - "The Eleventh Hour" Its on MSNBC every weekday night. When Trump lies, for instance, they call it a lie, from the getgo.

Just saying................

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#307092 - 06/25/18 12:19 AM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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If Mr Trump says X and it is not supported by facts what can be said?

If you are a Trump supporter, it is true. If you are not a Trump supporter you know it is not true.

So my question is, what is the point?

I am a little ore blunt and probably wouldn't have a job very long, but I would start my question thusly, Mr Trump you are the greatest human who ever lived. Now it is well known you lie and in fact you admitted you lie all the time, so my question is, and please indicate whether your response to my question will be a lie or not, {question}.
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#307093 - 06/25/18 05:32 AM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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I'm sure he would explain the virtues of lying. He does not see it as a character fault, only as a negotiating tactic. Just like he actually explained that he attacks the press so nobody will believe them when they write a critical story about him.

Trump's special place in Hell will be a deep pool of boiling water filled with a tangled web made up of every lie he ever told.

And just so you don't ignore me as a die-hard Democrat who demonizes every Republican, I think John McCain IS a war hero and consider Mitt Romney to be an honest man with some values I don't share.

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#307097 - 06/25/18 07:09 PM Re: gas lighting and the meda [Re: jgw]
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I have not thought about the character of lying since I know for a narcissist it is essential to create and maintain the delusional world in which they reside, but you may be correct, it could just be a negotiating tactic for that end.

The problem with narcissism and large egos is a narcissist of necessity has a large ego, while a person with a large ego does not necessarily create delusional worlds in which he is the greatest etc.

Consider these examples: Napoleon ... he took the crown from the hands of the Pope and crowned himself /// Pres Obama ... you better have a large ego or you will not win an election. I think many people confuse large egos with narcissism. One is a disease (personality disorder) and one is not. I think a careful reading of the signs of narcissism makes it clear, it is not the same as a plain old garden variety large ego.

I am clearly a liberal and believe the Constitution was written to envision a government which would provide services for its citizens. If it does provide services, it is nothing more than an anchor of oppression. However, I also am looking for pragmatic solutions to problems. Simply shoveling dollars in a money pit is not a solution. The two Republicans you mentioned, I respect but disagree with their solutions. I have no respect for ignorance, as it is a choice and choosing poorly is not an reason, it is an excuse.

I still regret I got Mr Trump wrong. I thought for sure Congress and his advisors would control his narcissism. I just didn't count on the cult like behavior and people whom I thought had integrity so easily selling out for a few SC picks.
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