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#307369 - 07/11/18 08:50 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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That's one way to interpret it Gregor. I've heard it said it can be people having a larger say in how society is organized and wealth gets shared. Such as worker owned co-operatives.
Either way, it sure don't feel like what we got know.

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#307371 - 07/11/18 10:12 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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F fascism.

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#307375 - 07/12/18 02:29 AM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I found the pie chart that absolutely nails Clinton's loss: it's so obvious.

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#307377 - 07/12/18 03:37 AM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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It's as good a reason as any seen offered here so far...

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#307379 - 07/12/18 04:03 AM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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We all know what happened. And we know why. Political parties are what they are. And what they are is not generally a good thing.
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#307382 - 07/12/18 06:20 AM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: Greger]
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Do we? I've yet to see an honest critique of that garbage barge of a campaign by her adherents. The reason that's annoying is it feels like the same kind of enabling that we see happenning with the POTUS base.
I wouldn't mind if Clinton's minions remained obtuse to the horrible deficiencies of that campaign and become irrelevant and obsolete as dumb animals that have reached an evolutionary dead end, but no....
Onward they come, from the still smoking crater of the last election, with pie charts and corporate monies interfering in the grass roots efforts doing the heavy lifting of going door to door, getting stink eyes from jaded voters that used to be democrats but no longer.
You gunna get them back with a pie chart?
Right now I have an icy feeling in my gut that the quants in the leadership are banging together a new model for taking back the house and senate that will be every bit as asinine as the Clinton model for victory was.
I also understand that parties implode or reform. One wonders which model will be the democrats future? Could be to late but what the h&ll, you gotta try, right?


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#307385 - 07/12/18 11:44 AM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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Serious question, chunk: after the primaries, are there any Democrats you are not going to vote for?

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#307387 - 07/12/18 01:58 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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On the local level we don't have many. To vote for. The democratic leadership is poor and incompetent with the leader mostly phoning it in and seldom doing the work.
We had a challenge at the town board seat that came within 7 votes of winning last year. Not bad considering were in rural trump country. A generation ago it we much different but so wasn't the employment picture and household incomes.
At the congressional level we had a crowded field of candidates. Most were ok. We had house parties for most of them. They spanned the gamut. They were all moderates to third way types. The third way won the primary but it was extremely close and came down to absentee ballots.
No, I won't vote for her. I doubt she's going to win. Doesn't know what time it is. Lousy goals for district. Making it all about beating republican incumbent. An incumbent who's talking right wing populism and it's working.
The democrat is from the professional class. Managerial and sounds like it. A human resource sounding voice and thinks both Sanders and populism is a bad thing. An Eisenhower republican were calling democrats these days.
Now Ocasio on the other hand....
That was fun to get behind and help. What does it say that the incumbent democrat Crowley went running to a GOP lobbying firm for help in the final weeks of his lame campaign? A lobbying firm that came out for Trump early in his own residential campaign.
I'm no longer voting because they have a D next to their name.

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#307388 - 07/12/18 04:20 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
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No local Democrats to vote for here either. If Democrats want to win an election locally they run as Republicans. If local movers and shakers want to move and shake things they do it as Republicans...Democrats are not welcome at their parties, in their clubs, or their churches.
There is NO Democratic Party presence here in my county. I don't think I saw a single Clinton(or Sanders) sign or bumper sticker during the last election. It's pretty scary when you think about it. Republicans are armed and dangerous. Just itching to "stand their ground".

Hoping for a "civil war"

Actively burning metaphorical crosses.

Praising Trump and Jesus. In that order.

Pardon me if I'm not terribly receptive to Democratic infighting right now. Everybody with an ounce of decency in their body needs to help depose the current regime. Depose them with socialists. Depose them with Liberals, Centrists, and corporatists. Depose them with "Republican Light" candidates, Never-Trumpers, DINO's, RINO's or whatever it takes!

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#307392 - 07/12/18 04:59 PM Re: Pie Chart Fight [Re: chunkstyle]
chunkstyle Offline
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Yeah, I'm not to keen on running the same play that's been running up points in the 'lost' column. Running the same old play with the same management and expecting different results is what I'm most afraid of and looks to be the most likely for the hide bound democratic leadership. That's one good argument for looking at what's been working where and why. Another argument could be made for trying to understand what hasn't been working (to quote Sanders announcement to run speech). I got me some real reservations about leadership that don't truck with any critique.
IMO, that's what's allowed the rot to set in with the transformation of the democratic party. But hey, maybe I'm all wrong. Maybe this time they are getting it and will make the adjustments and realize where they are going wrong and adapt......
I'm not holding my breath with these management types and neither should you. Better to take Sanders advice: Organize, get involved. We got a long row to hoe and the centrist aren't likely to be getting their hands dirty or smelling their sweat to get the work done.
'The business as usual is no longer working..."


Edited by chunkstyle (07/12/18 05:05 PM)

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