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#307695 - 07/27/18 10:43 PM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: Greger]
Jeffery J. Haas Offline
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In other news, a Tampa family WITH insurance was denied an ambulance ride because paramedics still doubted that they could afford the cost of the ambulance service.

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After help arrived, Black claims she and her daughter were told they could not afford an ambulance ride.

"They never asked us if we had insurance, which we do,” Black said, adding that she feels stereotyped.

After getting Galloway down the stairs, Black says the medics again told the women they couldn't afford an ambulance.


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#307696 - 07/27/18 11:39 PM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: Greger]
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I did not know you could create an LLC and then not register it. What are your state's fees to register an LLC? I know companies like LegalZoom do it for you for $79 plus the state fees. People with taco trucks do this, for God's sake. Next you are going to be complaining about the income tax your LLC will have to pay.

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#307699 - 07/28/18 12:08 AM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I suppose if you had actual experience with these things, we could talk about the nuances. Whatever.

My issue was that the SEC judges millionaires to be "qualified" to invest in non-registered securities, while "poor" people lack the sophistication to take any risk.

LLCs are still new business structures, from the point of view of the IRS and the SEC. I am sure there are thousands of LLCs that are operating in grey areas of the law, quite happily ignorant until some [censored] decides to sue over a technicality.

The crux is this: why shouldn't less-than-millionaires be allowed to invest modestly in whatever the hell they want?
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#307701 - 07/28/18 12:37 AM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: Greger]
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Because so many unsophisticated people would "invest" in ponzi schemes, pyramid marketing schemes, and outright frauds. Why shouldn't we let people send their bank account numbers to Nigerian Princes who just need someplace to park their millions? It's their bank account! If they want to risk it that's their business.

Being a qualified investor is good evidence that you do due diligence and fully investigate any investment opportunity. Being "poor" is good evidence you have no idea how to do that. Because being rich or poor probably indicates if you have been ripped off in the past, and will be in the future. When a company files with the SEC or with their state for an LLC, that's pretty good evidence that it's not fraudulent.

BTW: LLCs have been around for 41 years. They sound exactly like what you want, but I guess it's more in the spirit of the internet to rant about the difficulty of something than to actually do it.

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#307705 - 07/28/18 04:00 AM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I did not know you could create an LLC and then not register it. What are your state's fees to register an LLC? I know companies like LegalZoom do it for you for $79 plus the state fees. People with taco trucks do this, for God's sake. Next you are going to be complaining about the income tax your LLC will have to pay.

Paying one's fair share of taxes tends to turn some people into Republicans. coffee
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#307706 - 07/28/18 04:07 AM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: Greger]
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Of course Fatass knew about the Trump Tower meeting:

The meeting came together because a music publicist with a Russian client emailed Don Jr. offering to put together a meeting with some Russians who had “some official documents and information” that constituted “very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

Don Jr.’s response was: “If it’s what you say I love it.”

Two days before the Trump Tower meeting:

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“I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons,” Trump said on June 7. “I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”

- Fatass


The Monday in question was June 13.

The meeting takes place with Jr, Kushner and Manafort, plus seven Russians. The meeting ends because there is really no "dirt" on Hillary.

What is Fatass going to say on Monday?

Sunday, June 12 - Pulse Nightclub shooting.

A media advisory from the Trump campaign later that same day, June 12th, said the speech was canceled “due to the horrific tragedy that has just taken place.”

Quote:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!


Fatass never gave the "dirt on Hillary" speech - and it wasn't because of the Pulse Night Club shooting. It was the Russians didn't deliver at Trump Tower as promised to Don Jr.

Hmm
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#307708 - 07/28/18 12:03 PM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I quit. There is a reason rich people control everything, I guess. It’s as it should be, morally true, and righteous, too.
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#307711 - 07/28/18 12:47 PM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: logtroll]
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Originally Posted By: logtroll
I quit. There is a reason rich people control everything, I guess. It’s as it should be, morally true, and righteous, too.


Spoken like a true Calvinist smile

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#307712 - 07/28/18 12:54 PM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: chunkstyle]
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Let's not forget Hobbes, the genius behind the man boy Calvin.

Question: Are Trump's tariffs, and his subsequent corrective subsidies and spot exemptions, an exercise in capitalism or socialism?
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#307713 - 07/28/18 02:28 PM Re: Round Table For July 2018 [Re: Greger]
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Neither, it is Trumpism: an attempt to mollify the base, with federal largesse so the base will vote Trump this November. A tactic republicans have used since Raygun (Reagan).
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