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#307528 - 07/18/18 06:24 PM The War On Drugs
jgw Offline
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There is a lot of stuff, currently, about "America's Drug Problem". There are studies, there is TV, (the war on drugs continues unabated even though, even after we have spent over a trillion on this one it can't even keep the price of drugs up!), and, basically, everything is either failing or starting to fail. In spite of these simple facts there seems to be 2 solutions to the problem. The oldest one, proven to work, is the Portugal experience:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/de...world-copied-it

The newest one, which seems to pretty much deal with the drug problem is this one:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/n...-bang-less-buck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine

Our infrastructure continues to fail, our trillion dollar Afghanistan is failed.
our Trillion dollar war on drugs has failed.

One can only wonder - when in the world are we going to recognize that our determination to continue with our policy of punishment and moral judgments are utter failures and we should actually try and deal with a burgeoning drug problem? The truly amazing thing is that our nation is rich enough to continue with these failures, year after year, irregardless of who is in charge, supported by, as far as I can tell, nobody but the law, gov and regulators.

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#307532 - 07/18/18 08:18 PM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
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We're pretty close to pot legalization nationwide. It's certainly a step in the right direction.

What the feck do you do with a bunch of meth heads? They're mostly Republicans so I'm all for letting them kill themselves on it.

Opioids are legal as long as you can get a doctor to keep up with your habit. But the gubmint is starting to crack down on that so the illegal heroin/fentanyl market will get a boost.

I dunno. Weed's all I need.
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#307537 - 07/18/18 09:20 PM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
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No, never legalize pot, just do not punish for personal use quantity, nor for medical use. Legalize pot and how many more impaired drivers will be on the road. Driving is dangerous enough with the idiots, drunks, distracted and other impaired drivers on the road. Just yesterday a 7 year old was killed on I94 in Detroit. Why? Her daddy was drunk, had an accident, the girl freed herself and crossed I94 for help on her way back she was hit by a care traveling at speed (speed limit 70) Do you know what two tons of metal and plastic does to a body at that speed. No, never legalize.
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#307538 - 07/18/18 09:51 PM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: Ujest Shurly]
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What does that sad story have to do with weed? Unlike alcohol, most weed smokers tend to stay on their couches when they are high. Maybe when you get a weed card, you should also get a discount on delivered pizza?

In California, with recreational weed and many years of medical users, the law does not permit "weed bars" or even smoking at dispensaries. You are supposed to keep the medicine bag closed until you get home, then smoke it at home. It is still illegal to smoke out in public places. This is in contrast to bars where people go to drink and then later drive. This seems to be very effective. There is no reason legalization of weed would change DUI laws or public intoxication laws. If you really want to improve things, make the same "at home use only" laws for alcohol!

Also, most of the rare cases I have ever heard about driving while stoned, the driver got pulled over for driving 20 MPH in a 55 MPH zone.

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#307541 - 07/19/18 02:23 AM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Y'know...this marijuana stuff is not a new thing. People have been driving stoned for a long long time. A lot of them. Me, and probably you, included.

We occasionally stop for green lights or wait for stop signs to change but for the most part there has never been much of an issue with driving and smoking.

Drunk drivers, on the other hand, have caused all manner of misery over the years.

These two things are not the same.
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#307543 - 07/19/18 03:44 AM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
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One cannot use instances of DUI as a reason for continuing weed prohibition.
Of course stoned drivers are committing DUI.
One is not supposed to drive under the influence of ANYTHING.
By the way, I got my license in 1972, and within a year's time I made the decision to never ever get behind the wheel under the influence of anything, that decision having been inspired by almost being killed as a passenger in a drunk friend's car.
We both survived because of sheer dumb luck and nothing more, but I made that decision, and it cost me a good number of times.
It cost me in all kinds of ways, but I have never gotten into the driver's seat drunk, stoned or high since 1973.
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#307547 - 07/19/18 07:34 AM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
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I think the most common effect I have seen when people get really stoned, is they zone out and forget to pass the joint. Kind of self-limiting that way. Really, it's the opposite of Reefer Madness: Nobody is jumping out of windows, raping White Women, or smashing into rows of parked cars for fun. They literally just sit there on the couch and listen to the music. Or go into the kitchen to root around for some goodies. Or go to bed.

For us senior citizens, it alleviates pain, eliminates leg cramps, stops muscle spasms, and it's better than Viagra!

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#307548 - 07/19/18 01:18 PM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
Ujest Shurly Offline
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Maybe it is not clear, I am going on about "impaired drivers" - "Driving is dangerous enough with the idiots, drunks, distracted and other impaired drivers on the road." We do not need more distracted or impaired drivers. Legalizing weed will put more distracted and impaired drivers on the road.

The assumption about me possibly being high at sometime; nope never was, never did. Have been drunk out of my mind many times, but never in the US, never drove in Vietnam or Korea (70 thru 74). Quit drinking in 74, after a one-on-one with a plastic god over the Pacific.

My experience there are more drunks driving than tokers. Why one is legal, the other is not? Tokers generally drive paranoid about the cops catching them and busting them for drugs and using. So they drive slow in an attempt to avoid detection. That driving slow presents a danger to other drivers driving the speed limit or other road conditions. Along comes a distracted driver, does not see the slow moving tokers, another emergency call at 3 am for a multi-vehicle accident with multiple injuries, people trapped and possible dead on highway so and so.

If I had my way, alcohol would also be illegal, but that was tried, did not work. I would also ban cell phones and many other things while driving.

People want their distractions, even if those distractions hurt them and others.
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#307554 - 07/19/18 06:37 PM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
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Loc: Port Angeles, WA
Driving when incapacitated is just plain wrong - regardless of what caused it. I don't see anybody arguing that one. The universal legalization of weed is coming. The politicians simply cannot pass up this money maker. The states that have done it are not overwhelmed with drivers high on pot. Its also been noticed that states that have legalized have also cut the number of folks addicted to opiates.

If you read the links I offered at the top you will see that complete decriminalization worked in Portugal. Its been working there for well over 10 freaking years! If you don't want to read the stuff you can goto youtube and look for "portugal drugs" or just google it. The simple fact is that there are ways to deal with drugs and we don't do it. We don't do it because of our moralist class is determined to make us all knuckle under and mind according, as far as I can tell, to the voices they hear in their heads. The problem is that is not working, is very expense, and people are dying because of it.

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#307556 - 07/19/18 11:59 PM Re: The War On Drugs [Re: jgw]
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There really is a way to stop almost all DUIs: Make people drink at home. Almost all DUIs are people driving home from bars or parties. Hardly anybody gets drunk at home and then gets in the car for a drive.

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