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#308188 - 08/29/18 04:02 PM Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race
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Even though I don't have a dog in this hunt, I'm pretty excited about this race for the simple reason it's the Bernie Sanders - Donald Trump race that should have happened in 2016.

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#308192 - 08/29/18 05:07 PM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pdx rick]
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ps. Gillum's surprise victory for the Democratic nomination for governor of Florida sets up a race between a young, black progressive with an aspirational working-class message and DeSantis, a Republican who has staked his political career on his ties to President Trump.

May the better man win. But, this is Flor-i-duh, and the unsavory candidate as measured by social means, could possibly win. Hmm
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#308194 - 08/29/18 05:30 PM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pdx rick]
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He is going to lose unless he can get voters to get off their collective butts and actually submit a ballot. The Republican got more ballots than the Democrat.

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#308198 - 08/29/18 06:25 PM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pdx rick]
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Quote:
I'm pretty excited about this race


Yeah me too! I expected Graham to win. It pitted women voters against POC. Centrist vs Progressive. Progressive won!

It's a friggin race war now.

"Don't monkey up Florida by voting for Gillum"

You may not believe this but Florida is one racist ass, redneck state. But just as Progressive beat centrist in the primaries I think Democrats will defeat Republicans come November. All of Bernie's boys and girls will come out and vote for this one.

It's also environmentalists vs...environmental deniers. Florida is on the cutting edge of climate change disaster. South Floridians will vote for whover promises to clean it up fastest.
There's also Scott vs Nelson to spice things up.
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#308201 - 08/29/18 08:21 PM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: Greger]
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Florida is on the cutting edge of climate change disaster.

That's putting it mildly: Florida is on the edge of existence as a land mass if sea level rises just a bit. It will be the Florida Archipelago. I think Miami only has a decade or two before being leveled by a Category 5.

Central Florida is better off, elevation-wise.

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#308205 - 08/30/18 12:18 AM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pondering_it_all]
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The biggest disaster going on right now is down south on both coasts. Lake Okeechobee is supposed to drain south through the Everglades and get filtered as it travels through the River of Grass. Army Corps of Engineers diverted it east and west, drained the swampland for farming and created a monster. A monster that kills everything and smells of sulfur and rotting fish.

In better times we would receive billions in Federal money to fix it. But Republicans aint much interested when it comes to spending money to fix things.
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#308208 - 08/30/18 12:35 AM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pdx rick]
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It's amazing how well the ecosystem worked, until the Corps "fixed" it. Of course, that is from the perspective of a systems ecologist, not a farmer. Not a lot of alligators vote.

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#308210 - 08/30/18 01:44 AM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pdx rick]
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I recently met a couple from Rockaway, NYC. They talked of the neighborhood still recovering from Sandy. They've lived in the neighborhood for 35 yrs and are seeing flooding in spots they haven't seen before. There's some vague plan of a dyke or storm wall but there unimpressed with local and state governance coming to terms with it. We got a similar governors race going on in NY right now with Cynthia Nixon (recently declared democratic socialist) challenging Cuomo. Hard to imagine a Cuomo being unseated in NY. Hope we get a Florida suprise!


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#308219 - 08/30/18 02:05 PM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: chunkstyle]
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I'm not sure what Cynthia Nixon's qualifications are, but I like her. I'm really hoping Gillum wins in Florida. We need that kind of change. I would love it if Democratic socialism took off in the United States, I'm just skeptical that it can. There will certainly be more Berniecrats in Congress this fall, but there may also be a backlash. It is not a recipe that will be popular everywhere, but if it gets us moving as a country, I'm all for it.

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#308227 - 08/30/18 06:07 PM Re: Flor-i-duh's Governor's Race [Re: pdx rick]
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I really wish that the term "Democratic socialism" just went away. Its a phrase that is simply not helpful to anybody but the Jackass party. As far as socialism itself is concerned I think the main point of contention is healthcare. That one, I think, is pretty easy. We spend, on average close to 2 times more, on our healthcare, than any other developed country in the world. This includes ALL expenditures for healthcare; personal, government, employer, etc. The reason for this is that the other developed nations of the world have seen fit to take complete control of their healthcare. This means that they not only provide healthcare to all citizens but control the costs, and greed, of the industry itself. This is, for instance, the reason that you can goto Canada, or even email a pharmacy in Canada, and buy your drugs for a LOT less money. (The response of the Jackass, incidentally, was to encourage all the other countries that control their healthcare to raise the prices of their drugs!) Anyway, a really good argument for dealing with our healthcare can easily be an a financial argument and not a social argument. The excess we spend on healthcare is more than a trillion dollars a year! This money could be spent on eradicating cancer as well as our infrastructure. This would also, at the same time, actually give us ALL better healthcare!

I guess I should also mention I feel the same about the failed war on drugs, and wars that can never be won and last forever. Stopping these idiocies would actually save us trillions more!

I would also point out that many Americans keep on with the "best healthcare in the world". The simple fact is that we do not have the best healthcare in the world and our life expectancy is actually going down (there are a lot of other indicators as well).

Basically, the Republican party, that continues to claim to be the guardians of the debt and fiscal responsibility, can be called out on both points as we are surrounded by the evidence to the contrary.

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