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#308189 - 08/29/18 04:09 PM The Incredible Shrinking Party
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Lately, Donald Trump has taken to crowing (often erroneously) about his poll numbers. Usually he is, as is his wont, only talking about Republicans, as non-Republicans don't exist in his fantasy world. Taken on their own, it would appear that polls show his support among Republicans is remarkably high. But, what if he just had a bigger slice of a smaller pie?
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polls show high Republican support for President Trump, but those polls don’t measure change in party identification. Most Republicans back Trump, but there might be fewer Republicans. If so, the dreaded GOP base might be less fearsome than it appears.
The Republican Base Might Not Be As Scary As It Looks - Slate.

According to Pew research, there has been a marked decline in republican party identification since the advent of Trump.
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A new analysis of party identification, based on more than 10,000 interviews of registered voters conducted by Pew Research Center in 2017, finds that 37% of registered voters identify as independents, 33% are Democrats and 26% are Republicans.
Pew Research Canter Moreover, as Slate points out, "Gallup shows a similar change: From November 2016 to November 2017, there was a 5-point drop in the number of people who called themselves Republicans, from 42 percent to 37 percent. Democratic self-identification remained unchanged at 44 percent."
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#308191 - 08/29/18 04:43 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I've been reading about this phenomena. Republicans don't want to discuss their shrinking numbers. laugh

Yes, Fatboy has a high approval about Republicans, but there are fewer Republicans today, than there were in 2010. Dying from old age, is a pesky thing. coffee

This reality is why Republicans can only win Electorally in Presidential elections and not with BOTH Electoral votes and Popular votes as seen in 2000 and 2016.

This is why Republicans have resorted to gerrymandering, voter ID laws, rigging elections with Russia's help, and all around cheating. Hmm
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#308193 - 08/29/18 05:28 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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After watching the primary returns its obvious, even if their numbers are decreasing, the VOTE! When looking at the actual number of those voting, for and/or against, that the voters on the right seem to be either casting more ballots than voters from the left.

In the Florida governor race, for instance, the Right actually turned out MORE voters than the left.
https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/florida/

I think this should be a REAL concern for the Democrats. They have always had a problem turning out the vote, but, this time, if they can't do it then all this talk of Republican failures will dim besides a Democratic loss due to lazy voters.

I have also seen a number of political ads. The Right is working hard to paint the Left as Tax and Spend Socialists. Its REALLY time for the Left to fight back against this one instead of just letting the right demonize them. The current administration, for instance, not only spent like crazy (added almost 2 trillion to the debt) but then, with their tax bill, made sure they couldn't pay for any of it. The Democrats, if they like it or not, have been, and remain, the party of financial responsibility - NOT the Republicans. I guess I should add that the "socialist" tag is a self inflicted wound of the Left with their claims of "Democratic Socialism" (damned fools - ie. Democratic Fools is more like it).

<sigh>

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#308195 - 08/29/18 05:35 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: pdx rick]
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Republicans have resorted to gerrymandering, voter ID laws, rigging elections with Russia's help, and all around cheating.

And yet they control the entire Federal government and most local and state governments...

At the end of the day, Republicans promise more money in your pocket if you already have plenty of money in your pocket. There is more to governing than making the rich richer. They've got the BIG money behind them. Big money can get things done behind the scenes. There's more than electoral skulduggery behind the Republican winning streak. There's money. Lots and lots of money.
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#308197 - 08/29/18 06:05 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: jgw]
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I think this should be a REAL concern for the Democrats.


Oh, trust me....we're concerned.
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#308199 - 08/29/18 06:25 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: jgw]
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Originally Posted By: jgw
I guess I should add that the "socialist" tag is a self inflicted wound of the Left with their claims of "Democratic Socialism" (damned fools - ie. Democratic Fools is more like it).

It's true, the word Socialism is so tainted by the Regressives (they've been working on it for many, many decades, with the assistance of the Democrats) that there is no hope of redemption to a kinder and functionally positive meaning. I have learned in the grant writing world that if you have to educate your audience to any great degree on what you are talking about, then you aren't serious about actually getting a grant.

I think that Social Democrats and Progressives should start using the label "New Deal Democrats". The New Deal has widespread venerability and has actual proven program examples. I'd like to see some candidates declare, "I'm an old school New Deal Democrat!!"
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#308200 - 08/29/18 08:12 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Some folks just plain thrive on being right but never winning! Maybe because one day they WILL win and then all their beautiful dreams of us all marching hand-in-hand into a fantastic future will come true. And we'll all ride around on flying unicorns, too.

We have to live in this world, not some fantasy. Be a socialist all you want, they have some good ideas. But for God's sake, don't call yourself a socialist if you want to win elections! That's like driving with the emergency brake on.

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#308203 - 08/29/18 09:03 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
Some folks just plain thrive on being right but never winning! Maybe because one day they WILL win and then all their beautiful dreams of us all marching hand-in-hand into a fantastic future will come true. And we'll all ride around on flying unicorns, too.

We have to live in this world, not some fantasy. Be a socialist all you want, they have some good ideas. But for God's sake, don't call yourself a socialist if you want to win elections! That's like driving with the emergency brake on.


Irony?

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#308204 - 08/30/18 12:09 AM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: chunkstyle]
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Going farther and farther right just to appease a mob of aging centrist voters is also driving with the emergency brake on.
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#308206 - 08/30/18 12:31 AM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Not really. How many self-identified Socialists are sitting in the House? How many in the Senate? Isn't the answer 1? Yet if you look at voting records there are Reps and Senators who voted left of Bernie over the years. (Mostly because he keeps supporting 2nd Amendment issues.) Even Nancy Pelosi has a more leftward voting record!

The only logical conclusion is: Be as left as you like, but call yourself Progressive or a New Deal Democrat if you want a seat in Congress.

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