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#308211 - 08/30/18 01:52 AM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Point is...if we keep moving to the right we just become Republicans.
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#308212 - 08/30/18 02:08 AM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: Greger]
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Oh...and Florida just chose the extremists in both parties while telling centrists to go pound salt.
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#308216 - 08/30/18 04:58 AM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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I don't think Democrats have to move right. Classic Republicans have to decide if they can stomach Trump-supporter candidates. Otherwise they can abstain or vote for the Democrat! Several prominent Republicans have suggested just that.

We shall see how well Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does in the general election with her self-proclaimed Democratic-Socialist identification. I still think a Democrat can be as socialist as he or she wants. Just don't destroy your candidacy with a lot of old people's prejudices about Communism and the Soviet Union. A socialist can win on the issues: Most people actually like government programs that benefit them. The key is to wrap yourself in the flag, praise Jesus, and say your Republican opponent wants to destroy Social Security and MediCare. (Which has the advantage of being true!)

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#308220 - 08/30/18 02:24 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: pondering_it_all]
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Originally Posted By: pondering_it_all
I don't think Democrats have to move right. Classic Republicans have to decide if they can stomach Trump-supporter candidates. Otherwise they can abstain or vote for the Democrat! Several prominent Republicans have suggested just that.

We shall see how well Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does in the general election with her self-proclaimed Democratic-Socialist identification. I still think a Democrat can be as socialist as he or she wants. Just don't destroy your candidacy with a lot of old people's prejudices about Communism and the Soviet Union. A socialist can win on the issues: Most people actually like government programs that benefit them. The key is to wrap yourself in the flag, praise Jesus, and say your Republican opponent wants to destroy Social Security and MediCare. (Which has the advantage of being true!)


She didn't self proclaim anything. She was endorsed by as well as joined the DSA.

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#308221 - 08/30/18 03:09 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: chunkstyle]
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Um, chunk, isn't her statement exactly what "self-proclaimed" means?

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#308230 - 08/30/18 11:02 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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"Adj. 1. self-proclaimed - proclaimed to be or described as such by oneself, without endorsement by others; "self-proclaimed experts"

I thought she was a member of as well as being actively endorsed and supported by DSA. No?

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#308231 - 08/30/18 11:56 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: pondering_it_all]
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I don't think Democrats have to move right.

They already have. They need to move to the left.
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We shall see how well Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does in the general election

Yes we shall, though it's a pretty safe district and she'll most likely win.

Florida's gubernatorial is not the least bit safe, Gillum vs. DeSantis is a race between the TEA Party and the social democrats. If he plays his cards right(and doesn't label himself a socialist) there's a good chance he can win. But no matter what he labels himself as you can bet his opponent will label him a socialist and use the word loudly and often.
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#308262 - 09/01/18 04:13 AM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: Greger]
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opponent will label him a socialist and use the word loudly and often


And that's when you should insist you are a New Deal Democrat and bring up Social Security and Medicare. It's especially fun if you can get your opponent talking about Republican ideas about Social Security and Medicare: Nothing more hilarious than a rich old fat guy explaining to people on fixed incomes why they should get less money!

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#308263 - 09/01/18 02:16 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: pondering_it_all]
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President Vice, Mike Pence, has long described himself as "Christian, a conservative and a Republican in that order." What he leaves out in that statement, as do most Republicans, is "American". When I spent time in D.C, and throughout my time in government, I always found that the vast majority of government workers, including elected representatives, were most proud of the fact that they were serving the people. For the workers, I believe that is still true. For decades, though, the Republican party had been casting the most loyal, dedicated, and patriotic Americans as "the enemy". They belittle them, they attack their livelihoods, they fire them en masse. Trump has just amplified that, turning it up past 11.

The GOP likes to portray themselves as patriotic and wrap themselves in the flag, proclaiming they are the party of "American values", yet, they routinely betray their constituents and "fellow citizens" and make every effort to hurt them. They display none of the real values that most Americans hold dear. It has taken a very long time for their membership to come to grips with how hollow the party has become, and too many refuse to see what is right in front of them.

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#308287 - 09/03/18 04:11 PM Re: The Incredible Shrinking Party [Re: NW Ponderer]
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Juan Williams: Trump's 'majority' is fake - the Hill.
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Republican control of Capitol Hill and the White House is based on a "fake majority."

"A majority of the Senate now represents just 18 percent of the nation's population," David Wasserman, an editor for The Cook Political Report, wrote in a recent New York Times column.
That's an important thought. Think about it. As Williams notes: "America's politics are being run by a cabal in the Senate that fails to represent 82 percent of the American people." It's why Congress consistently passes unpopular laws, how the Senate is confirming dozens of judges that are at the fringe of judicial jurisprudence (many purely unqualified), and the Supreme Court is at odds with the US population's wishes on most topics.

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